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]]> By: Peter da Silva http://theappleblog.com/2004/12/29/the-500-imac-will-not-happen/#comment-250 Peter da Silva Sun, 29 Jan 2006 22:22:47 +0000 http://www.theappleblog.com/2004/12/29/the-500-imac-will-not-happen/#comment-250 A year down the line... I was googling for something else and up popped this article, the one where I confidently predicted that Steve Jobs would never back down on "No ugly monitors on nice Macs". Boy, was that weird... but then 2005's been a weird year for Apple all round. Oh well, at least I argued that it was technically plausible, and desirable, just like a flash-based iPod was, even if Steve was on record against them both. I didn't expect Steve to drink his own blood twice in one event... on the Mac mini, and on the iPod shuffle. This year, MWSF was pretty much an anticlimax. At the end of the keynote I was still waiting for the zinger. Where's the media center Mac and the wide-screen iBook? Hey, Steve, 2005 a bit rough for you... or are you having too much fun buying Disney? A year down the line…

I was googling for something else and up popped this article, the one where I confidently predicted that Steve Jobs would never back down on “No ugly monitors on nice Macs”. Boy, was that weird… but then 2005’s been a weird year for Apple all round.

Oh well, at least I argued that it was technically plausible, and desirable, just like a flash-based iPod was, even if Steve was on record against them both. I didn’t expect Steve to drink his own blood twice in one event… on the Mac mini, and on the iPod shuffle.

This year, MWSF was pretty much an anticlimax. At the end of the keynote I was still waiting for the zinger. Where’s the media center Mac and the wide-screen iBook? Hey, Steve, 2005 a bit rough for you… or are you having too much fun buying Disney?

]]> By: The Apple Blog » Well, Blew That Call http://theappleblog.com/2004/12/29/the-500-imac-will-not-happen/#comment-249 The Apple Blog » Well, Blew That Call Fri, 11 Feb 2005 02:18:29 +0000 http://www.theappleblog.com/2004/12/29/the-500-imac-will-not-happen/#comment-249 ly was I wrong, I was spectacularly wrong! Though I could try to win on a technicality, my prediction that the $500 Mac wasn’t going to occur now [...] ly was I wrong, I was spectacularly wrong! Though I could try to win on a technicality, my prediction that the $500 Mac wasn’t going to occur now [...]

]]> By: xnu http://theappleblog.com/2004/12/29/the-500-imac-will-not-happen/#comment-246 xnu Thu, 13 Jan 2005 02:09:27 +0000 http://www.theappleblog.com/2004/12/29/the-500-imac-will-not-happen/#comment-246 hahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahahaha

]]> By: kirk http://theappleblog.com/2004/12/29/the-500-imac-will-not-happen/#comment-248 kirk Sun, 02 Jan 2005 22:36:49 +0000 http://www.theappleblog.com/2004/12/29/the-500-imac-will-not-happen/#comment-248 all I can say is audi vw, cadillac gm, yadda yadda yadda, if we are comparing computers to car companies... this is what I think of... general motors has its high-end... premium market cars... the cadillac and thus charges a premium price... however they also produce lower end vehicles and you guessed it charges considerable less for these models... needless to say there is nothing wrong with the lower-end cars... and no-one thinks believes this either... my two cents all I can say is audi vw, cadillac gm, yadda yadda yadda, if we are comparing computers to car companies… this is what I think of… general motors has its high-end… premium market cars… the cadillac and thus charges a premium price… however they also produce lower end vehicles and you guessed it charges considerable less for these models… needless to say there is nothing wrong with the lower-end cars… and no-one thinks believes this either… my two cents

]]> By: Sid http://theappleblog.com/2004/12/29/the-500-imac-will-not-happen/#comment-247 Sid Sun, 02 Jan 2005 07:58:54 +0000 http://www.theappleblog.com/2004/12/29/the-500-imac-will-not-happen/#comment-247 I read about this :: I was looking forward to it :( I read about this :: I was looking forward to it :(

]]> By: J. Random Poster http://theappleblog.com/2004/12/29/the-500-imac-will-not-happen/#comment-245 J. Random Poster Fri, 31 Dec 2004 08:06:03 +0000 http://www.theappleblog.com/2004/12/29/the-500-imac-will-not-happen/#comment-245 The chances of this happening are exactly 50-50. (That is, either it will or it won't.) Personally, I'd love to see it happen, and I think you're mistaken when you assume that any sub-$500 machine has to be crap like Dell. Remember, Dell has to pay the MS tax, and Apple doesn't. G4 processors are pretty cheap these days, and so are one- or two-year old GPU parts. I think if anyone can make a solid, low-cost machine, it's Apple. The chances of this happening are exactly 50-50. (That is, either it will or it won’t.) Personally, I’d love to see it happen, and I think you’re mistaken when you assume that any sub-$500 machine has to be crap like Dell. Remember, Dell has to pay the MS tax, and Apple doesn’t.

G4 processors are pretty cheap these days, and so are one- or two-year old GPU parts. I think if anyone can make a solid, low-cost machine, it’s Apple.

]]> By: pb http://theappleblog.com/2004/12/29/the-500-imac-will-not-happen/#comment-244 pb Thu, 30 Dec 2004 23:50:35 +0000 http://www.theappleblog.com/2004/12/29/the-500-imac-will-not-happen/#comment-244 Your article isn't taht convincing. Of course Apple could build such a machine and sell it at adequate margins in the $500 range. ANd don't assume that it would be available to the general US public. Perhaps it's education or government or non-US only. I think a little more outside the box on this. Your article isn’t taht convincing. Of course Apple could build such a machine and sell it at adequate margins in the $500 range. ANd don’t assume that it would be available to the general US public. Perhaps it’s education or government or non-US only. I think a little more outside the box on this.

]]> By: Peter da Silva http://theappleblog.com/2004/12/29/the-500-imac-will-not-happen/#comment-243 Peter da Silva Thu, 30 Dec 2004 20:01:21 +0000 http://www.theappleblog.com/2004/12/29/the-500-imac-will-not-happen/#comment-243 <i>``The reaction, worldwide, would be: “What? What’s wrong with this one? What were you doing for so long that made the others cost so much?”''</i> . . . Don't be silly. A five or six hundred dollar Mac with the specs in the Think Secret article isn't a "BMW for $5000", it's a "BMW <i>motorcycle</i> priced like a Chevy <i>sedan</i>". That "$500 PC" you're mentally comparing it with has better expansion and upgrade capability than a Powermac G5... THAT's the "BMW Sedan" of the Apple line. The iMac and eMac are big motorcycles... this one, by comparison, doesn't even have a sidecar... . . . And, you know what, a BMW motorcycle <i>does</i> cost as much as a modest Chevy... “The reaction, worldwide, would be: “What? What’s wrong with this one? What were you doing for so long that made the others cost so much?””

. . .

Don’t be silly. A five or six hundred dollar Mac with the specs in the Think Secret article isn’t a “BMW for $5000″, it’s a “BMW motorcycle priced like a Chevy sedan“. That “$500 PC” you’re mentally comparing it with has better expansion and upgrade capability than a Powermac G5… THAT’s the “BMW Sedan” of the Apple line. The iMac and eMac are big motorcycles… this one, by comparison, doesn’t even have a sidecar…

. . .

And, you know what, a BMW motorcycle does cost as much as a modest Chevy…

]]> By: xnu http://theappleblog.com/2004/12/29/the-500-imac-will-not-happen/#comment-242 xnu Thu, 30 Dec 2004 19:12:39 +0000 http://www.theappleblog.com/2004/12/29/the-500-imac-will-not-happen/#comment-242 mini Cooper (inexpensive BMW). I have two in my parking lot and a 328i. Weird how the Ipod hooks directly up to them too. mini Cooper (inexpensive BMW). I have two in my parking lot and a 328i. Weird how the Ipod hooks directly up to them too.

]]> By: isamuel http://theappleblog.com/2004/12/29/the-500-imac-will-not-happen/#comment-241 isamuel Thu, 30 Dec 2004 18:46:54 +0000 http://www.theappleblog.com/2004/12/29/the-500-imac-will-not-happen/#comment-241 First of all, let me say this: if I turn out to be wrong (that is, if Apple unveils a $499 iMac at the Expo), I will publicly and openly take my lumps. We can all have a good laugh as we stand in line to get one of these. Here's another reason Apple's not going to do this. Imagine if BMW suddenly released a $4999 car. It wasn't as good as their other cars, but it had the same sleek design and the BMW name. The reaction, worldwide, would be: "What? What's wrong with this one? What were you doing for so long that made the others cost so much?" And it would have the effect of undermining Apple's place in the market. They might sell enough to make up for it, but one wonders if the sub-$500 PC market is really one into which Apple wants. You guys are looking at this in a purely dollars-per-parts perspective, which is fine, but it reminds me of Dvorak with his market share numbers. You've got to understand Apple culture before you can understand why this won't happen. Remember, the 2GB $149 iPod mini sounded great (confirmed!!!!!) too. It made sense, from a dollars-to-parts perspective. Just like the Creative Zen Nomad makes sense from a dollars-to-parts perspective. But that's not the only axis along which Apple does its business. First of all, let me say this: if I turn out to be wrong (that is, if Apple unveils a $499 iMac at the Expo), I will publicly and openly take my lumps. We can all have a good laugh as we stand in line to get one of these.

Here’s another reason Apple’s not going to do this. Imagine if BMW suddenly released a $4999 car. It wasn’t as good as their other cars, but it had the same sleek design and the BMW name.

The reaction, worldwide, would be: “What? What’s wrong with this one? What were you doing for so long that made the others cost so much?” And it would have the effect of undermining Apple’s place in the market.

They might sell enough to make up for it, but one wonders if the sub-$500 PC market is really one into which Apple wants. You guys are looking at this in a purely dollars-per-parts perspective, which is fine, but it reminds me of Dvorak with his market share numbers. You’ve got to understand Apple culture before you can understand why this won’t happen.

Remember, the 2GB $149 iPod mini sounded great (confirmed!!!!!) too. It made sense, from a dollars-to-parts perspective. Just like the Creative Zen Nomad makes sense from a dollars-to-parts perspective. But that’s not the only axis along which Apple does its business.

]]> By: Peter da Silva http://theappleblog.com/2004/12/29/the-500-imac-will-not-happen/#comment-240 Peter da Silva Thu, 30 Dec 2004 17:09:33 +0000 http://www.theappleblog.com/2004/12/29/the-500-imac-will-not-happen/#comment-240 I think MacGilles is perhaps stating the case too strongly, but there's some truth to it... many of Apple's successes over the years, including the original Macintosh (which was practically a "skunkworks" project by Raskin), were accomplished despite Apple's management... including Jobs... not because of them. I think MacGilles is perhaps stating the case too strongly, but there’s some truth to it… many of Apple’s successes over the years, including the original Macintosh (which was practically a “skunkworks” project by Raskin), were accomplished despite Apple’s management… including Jobs… not because of them.

]]> By: Josh Pigford http://theappleblog.com/2004/12/29/the-500-imac-will-not-happen/#comment-239 Josh Pigford Thu, 30 Dec 2004 17:02:37 +0000 http://www.theappleblog.com/2004/12/29/the-500-imac-will-not-happen/#comment-239 MacGilles, why are you even posting here? What on earth is the point of a statement like "Maybe it will never happen, and if it’s the case, it confims that Jobs is totally unable to succeed in the computer industry for more than 20 years now." Your post is just as, if not more, invalid than what you say about this topic here on the site. MacGilles, why are you even posting here? What on earth is the point of a statement like “Maybe it will never happen, and if it’s the case, it confims that Jobs is totally unable to succeed in the computer industry for more than 20 years now.” Your post is just as, if not more, invalid than what you say about this topic here on the site.

]]> By: MacGilles http://theappleblog.com/2004/12/29/the-500-imac-will-not-happen/#comment-238 MacGilles Thu, 30 Dec 2004 16:44:20 +0000 http://www.theappleblog.com/2004/12/29/the-500-imac-will-not-happen/#comment-238 Mr Ian Samuel, are you mac-centric or do you totally ignore the reality of computing investment in compagnies ? $500 is too low for a Mac with outdated components ? Have you really compared with PC from assemblers. You have the equivalent for $300 !!! It's time to have a really low priced Mac, in order to equip companies (banks, industries, etc ...) with Apple Computers. eMacs and iMacs are way too expensive for just doing spreadsheets, documentation, CRM, decisionnal or datamining. Apple should have a computer in the same prices than Dell. And the choise to take a low cost LCD screen with it. An yes this types of components cost nothing. It is even EXTRAORDINARY that Apple could still find 40GB drives !!! The eMac is the exemple of the computer that use all the components that the PC manufacturers doesn't want anymore and it still cost $800 ! Crazy Apple World ! The majority of people working do not need multimédia capabilities. We are working, not playing with our computers ! We just need a professionnal inexpensive computer under OS X to work with efficiency, without bugs and viruses. And XServes for database and network services and management ;) By the way XServe/XRaid have a very good price, so why this shoudn't be possible for desktops ? Maybe it will never happen, and if it's the case, it confims that Jobs is totally unable to succeed in the computer industry for more than 20 years now (remember Next, best OS, worst seller). For music and movies, he's ok, but for computing, he's a looser ... Mr Ian Samuel, are you mac-centric or do you totally ignore the reality of computing investment in compagnies ?

$500 is too low for a Mac with outdated components ? Have you really compared with PC from assemblers. You have the equivalent for $300 !!!

It’s time to have a really low priced Mac, in order to equip companies (banks, industries, etc …) with Apple Computers. eMacs and iMacs are way too expensive for just doing spreadsheets, documentation, CRM, decisionnal or datamining. Apple should have a computer in the same prices than Dell. And the choise to take a low cost LCD screen with it.

An yes this types of components cost nothing. It is even EXTRAORDINARY that Apple could still find 40GB drives !!! The eMac is the exemple of the computer that use all the components that the PC manufacturers doesn’t want anymore and it still cost $800 ! Crazy Apple World !

The majority of people working do not need multimédia capabilities. We are working, not playing with our computers ! We just need a professionnal inexpensive computer under OS X to work with efficiency, without bugs and viruses. And XServes for database and network services and management ;) By the way XServe/XRaid have a very good price, so why this shoudn’t be possible for desktops ?

Maybe it will never happen, and if it’s the case, it confims that Jobs is totally unable to succeed in the computer industry for more than 20 years now (remember Next, best OS, worst seller). For music and movies, he’s ok, but for computing, he’s a looser …

]]> By: JT http://theappleblog.com/2004/12/29/the-500-imac-will-not-happen/#comment-237 JT Thu, 30 Dec 2004 16:09:02 +0000 http://www.theappleblog.com/2004/12/29/the-500-imac-will-not-happen/#comment-237 It's definetely not going to be a powerful device, however, it MUST happen (whether Steve likes it or not), because in a year from now, new consoles will offer similar features, for a similar price. I think apple would be ready to settle for a headless, low cost sulution for the sake of not having to deal with PS3 or XBox 2 home network compatibility issues. It’s definetely not going to be a powerful device, however, it MUST happen (whether Steve likes it or not), because in a year from now, new consoles will offer similar features, for a similar price.
I think apple would be ready to settle for a headless, low cost sulution for the sake of not having to deal with PS3 or XBox 2 home network compatibility issues.

]]> By: Peter da Silva http://theappleblog.com/2004/12/29/the-500-imac-will-not-happen/#comment-236 Peter da Silva Thu, 30 Dec 2004 15:39:44 +0000 http://www.theappleblog.com/2004/12/29/the-500-imac-will-not-happen/#comment-236 You're exaggerating the specs given in the Think Secret article: it didn't say it would have Airport Extreme, for example, it said it would have support for it... which would be a slot that cost them maybe 50c to add. It didn't mention TV out. Adding the components it *did* include together comes nowhere near $500: apart from the processor (low power Power PC instead of VIA/Eden chipset) it's specced similarly to small-form-factor low-end PCs that sell for $200. Adding a CDRW/DVD drive would add maybe $40 to the price, and the graphics chips Apple uses are pretty cheap ones. I wish they WOULD discontinue the eMac, personally. I have been hanging onto and upgrading my old G3 instead of buying a new Mac because the only machine I can afford is the eMac... and the eMac's display would ruin my eyes. For $800 they could at least spring for a Trinitron tube instead of that cheesy shadow-mask they've got in there: if I were to buy an eMac, it would have to end up "on the floor among the cheap components" instead of on my desk, because I don't have room for my wonderful inexpensive CTX tube along with the bulky eMac. But no, I suspect you're right that this is a hoax. Not because of logistics, but because Steve Jobs irrational antipathy to "ugly monitors on nice Macs" is too well known... he'd much rather force Apple users to put up with lousy monitors in pretty shells than lose face by backing down on something like this. You’re exaggerating the specs given in the Think Secret article: it didn’t say it would have Airport Extreme, for example, it said it would have support for it… which would be a slot that cost them maybe 50c to add. It didn’t mention TV out. Adding the components it *did* include together comes nowhere near $500: apart from the processor (low power Power PC instead of VIA/Eden chipset) it’s specced similarly to small-form-factor low-end PCs that sell for $200. Adding a CDRW/DVD drive would add maybe $40 to the price, and the graphics chips Apple uses are pretty cheap ones.

I wish they WOULD discontinue the eMac, personally. I have been hanging onto and upgrading my old G3 instead of buying a new Mac because the only machine I can afford is the eMac… and the eMac’s display would ruin my eyes. For $800 they could at least spring for a Trinitron tube instead of that cheesy shadow-mask they’ve got in there: if I were to buy an eMac, it would have to end up “on the floor among the cheap components” instead of on my desk, because I don’t have room for my wonderful inexpensive CTX tube along with the bulky eMac.

But no, I suspect you’re right that this is a hoax. Not because of logistics, but because Steve Jobs irrational antipathy to “ugly monitors on nice Macs” is too well known… he’d much rather force Apple users to put up with lousy monitors in pretty shells than lose face by backing down on something like this.

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