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	<title>Comments on: Viruses on Mac OS X.</title>
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		<title>By: Josh Justins</title>
		<link>http://theappleblog.com/2005/06/24/viruses-on-mac-os-x/#comment-27889</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh Justins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 09:05:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"I accualy hope more people buy apples, so some of the people making viruses for the pc, will accualy change their focus to anyone with an apple! that would reduce the amount of attacks on pc owners, and make everyone just a little bit happier."

This goes with my line of thinking that there's few viruses written on Macs because its users aren't bitter.

The unibomber's manifesto was chocked full of references to the Blue Screen of Death. Just look for yourself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I accualy hope more people buy apples, so some of the people making viruses for the pc, will accualy change their focus to anyone with an apple! that would reduce the amount of attacks on pc owners, and make everyone just a little bit happier.&#8221;</p>
<p>This goes with my line of thinking that there&#8217;s few viruses written on Macs because its users aren&#8217;t bitter.</p>
<p>The unibomber&#8217;s manifesto was chocked full of references to the Blue Screen of Death. Just look for yourself.</p>
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		<title>By: Chase</title>
		<link>http://theappleblog.com/2005/06/24/viruses-on-mac-os-x/#comment-2572</link>
		<dc:creator>Chase</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 20:44:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mac systems are inevitable to receive viruses. I am a windows and a mac user. I do accept that windows has more flexibility to more varieties of software, but not having a virus is about as effective as saying that no computer can be hacked. Murphy's Law people the worse possible thing that could occur which you don't expect to occur does usually occur. Eventually Mac's will be filled with the problem of viruses and malware and when that day comes most of the bloggers (mac users are stereotypically bloggers) will realize that they will receive a virus. Macs download most of their software and it is possible to create a virus on a Mac so please people just realize that the inevitable will occur and has occured. Two viruses have been found for macs and it is just time until most macs will need virus protection. sorry suck it up. windows users deal with it and we're fine. I've got 2 computers with one virus protection each and it's good. I'm careful and mac users can just suck it up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mac systems are inevitable to receive viruses. I am a windows and a mac user. I do accept that windows has more flexibility to more varieties of software, but not having a virus is about as effective as saying that no computer can be hacked. Murphy&#8217;s Law people the worse possible thing that could occur which you don&#8217;t expect to occur does usually occur. Eventually Mac&#8217;s will be filled with the problem of viruses and malware and when that day comes most of the bloggers (mac users are stereotypically bloggers) will realize that they will receive a virus. Macs download most of their software and it is possible to create a virus on a Mac so please people just realize that the inevitable will occur and has occured. Two viruses have been found for macs and it is just time until most macs will need virus protection. sorry suck it up. windows users deal with it and we&#8217;re fine. I&#8217;ve got 2 computers with one virus protection each and it&#8217;s good. I&#8217;m careful and mac users can just suck it up.</p>
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		<title>By: entropykills</title>
		<link>http://theappleblog.com/2005/06/24/viruses-on-mac-os-x/#comment-2571</link>
		<dc:creator>entropykills</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 21:36:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i am still baffled that there are in fact more viruses / malware / spyware / trogans for windows and microsoft software in general than for Macs.  microsoft deserves the abuse for making software with so many security holes in it but i think that if the same manpower was put towards Macs, simmular statistics would result.  i know people like to pick on microsoft because to some, they are the corporate symbol of evil, but at least windows will install on almost any machine hardware configuration, including Macs.  now i don't really "like" windows but something must be said about an OS that can be installed with default drivers to suet the needs of over millions of different hardware configurations of the diverse PC.  it may not be perfect and sometimes it fails completely but that is quite the task to undertake.  this applies to linux as well but we're not really talking about linux here.  Macs on the other hand won't install on any other machine other than Mac "blessed" machines.  so much for being universal.  Mac users often tell me how great their Mac is because they can even install windows on it, well that's because windows was coded well enough to support almost any hardware configuration.  back in the old days when Mac actually used PPC's there was a reason for the OS to be tailored to those specific needs, but now??  come on Mac, you're using Intel CPU's with Intel chipsets on your motherboards!  you're not really a Mac anymore, you're a PC that's been "blessed" to allow the installation of OS-X.  you should be called PCOS-X's not Mac OS-X's!  and at least windows went through the trouble of writing the OS from scratch, whether that was a good choice is up for debate, but Mac just used the already created UNIX.

the point i'm getting at here is that Mac is much more of a fascist corporation than microsoft has ever been.  actually i should probably say iFascist to comply with the trademark.  okay, so windows OS likes to bundle along "windows media player" and "internet explorer" but at least they haven't started bundling software with other software, i.e. itunes with quicktime, or safari with itunes, etc...

so i'm surprised that there are more viruses etc. for windows because Mac is obviously much more of a fascist corporation that microsoft.  and as seen in this forum, the majority of mac users don't even have any antivirus software installed, making them so easy to hack.

and they say windows users are closed minded.  i bet 90% of Mac users have never opened their terminal or even know what it is.

for shame.... for shame.............</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i am still baffled that there are in fact more viruses / malware / spyware / trogans for windows and microsoft software in general than for Macs.  microsoft deserves the abuse for making software with so many security holes in it but i think that if the same manpower was put towards Macs, simmular statistics would result.  i know people like to pick on microsoft because to some, they are the corporate symbol of evil, but at least windows will install on almost any machine hardware configuration, including Macs.  now i don&#8217;t really &#8220;like&#8221; windows but something must be said about an OS that can be installed with default drivers to suet the needs of over millions of different hardware configurations of the diverse PC.  it may not be perfect and sometimes it fails completely but that is quite the task to undertake.  this applies to linux as well but we&#8217;re not really talking about linux here.  Macs on the other hand won&#8217;t install on any other machine other than Mac &#8220;blessed&#8221; machines.  so much for being universal.  Mac users often tell me how great their Mac is because they can even install windows on it, well that&#8217;s because windows was coded well enough to support almost any hardware configuration.  back in the old days when Mac actually used PPC&#8217;s there was a reason for the OS to be tailored to those specific needs, but now??  come on Mac, you&#8217;re using Intel CPU&#8217;s with Intel chipsets on your motherboards!  you&#8217;re not really a Mac anymore, you&#8217;re a PC that&#8217;s been &#8220;blessed&#8221; to allow the installation of OS-X.  you should be called PCOS-X&#8217;s not Mac OS-X&#8217;s!  and at least windows went through the trouble of writing the OS from scratch, whether that was a good choice is up for debate, but Mac just used the already created UNIX.</p>
<p>the point i&#8217;m getting at here is that Mac is much more of a fascist corporation than microsoft has ever been.  actually i should probably say iFascist to comply with the trademark.  okay, so windows OS likes to bundle along &#8220;windows media player&#8221; and &#8220;internet explorer&#8221; but at least they haven&#8217;t started bundling software with other software, i.e. itunes with quicktime, or safari with itunes, etc&#8230;</p>
<p>so i&#8217;m surprised that there are more viruses etc. for windows because Mac is obviously much more of a fascist corporation that microsoft.  and as seen in this forum, the majority of mac users don&#8217;t even have any antivirus software installed, making them so easy to hack.</p>
<p>and they say windows users are closed minded.  i bet 90% of Mac users have never opened their terminal or even know what it is.</p>
<p>for shame&#8230;. for shame&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Bio</title>
		<link>http://theappleblog.com/2005/06/24/viruses-on-mac-os-x/#comment-2570</link>
		<dc:creator>Bio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 00:03:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All of you make a good point but macs dont realy have much in the way of security. Me and a mate of mine crashed all the macs on our school server just by running a mac virus that we found on the net. It took the school 3 weeks to fix them. Altho windows is still the most insecure OS ever built, (yet im running Vista now), but unless your an idiot and you just download everything of p2p then theres littlt chance you'll get a virus, asuming that you also have antivirus software. Linux is the best though. Im not going to put forth an argument because theres no point in arguing. Evrey OS is good  if you use it responsibly.


Use Linux!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All of you make a good point but macs dont realy have much in the way of security. Me and a mate of mine crashed all the macs on our school server just by running a mac virus that we found on the net. It took the school 3 weeks to fix them. Altho windows is still the most insecure OS ever built, (yet im running Vista now), but unless your an idiot and you just download everything of p2p then theres littlt chance you&#8217;ll get a virus, asuming that you also have antivirus software. Linux is the best though. Im not going to put forth an argument because theres no point in arguing. Evrey OS is good  if you use it responsibly.</p>
<p>Use Linux!</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Bramwell</title>
		<link>http://theappleblog.com/2005/06/24/viruses-on-mac-os-x/#comment-2569</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy Bramwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Apr 2007 11:38:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The virus Vs OS platform argument does not seem to be about the number of users, fame motives of crackers or even OS stability. More so about the intention of the individual user Vs the (perceived) intentions of publisher of the software.

I have not been able to break my power book yet, despite running 10.3.9 on a 867 MHz machine (runs fine with only one crash in 5 months). I perceived Apple's intentions to be supportive, helpful - even when using an old 2nd-hand machine running an OS not recommended for the hardware. I would never do anything to hurt Apple.

I have not been able to break my 500Mhz P3 running Mepis yet. As a newbe to the linux world, I was delighted to find that my 'dump' questions were answered respectfully and quickly by the Mepis community. I would never consider doing anything to hurt Mepis.

Breaking the XP machine is a weekly occurance, complete with data loss. work-flow interuption and loss of earnings. This is despite having all updates continuously, AV, hardware and software firewalls, using webmail and upkeeping software health and data cohesiveness. I am forced to migrate my business activities to other (completely alien) OS, just so I can sleep a night knowing my business will function the next work day. Microsoft has cost me a lot of money and time. I don't feel that I would cross the road to kick it's corpse. It is differcult to avoid emotional profanity when ones income and sanity is threatened. I have no intention of ever hurting Microsoft and admire the initial vision of a PC in every home (and what that has done for intellectual freedom via domestic accessiblity to WWW),

I do however see how a cracker could theoritically wish to hurt Microsoft's reputation via attacking the user with a virus or malware.

1. The high functionallity of XP can encourage the user to be lazy = opportunity

2. Holes in security and OS due to high functionality and accessibilty = opportunity

3. Other OS could be seen as the domain of geeks = exclusion (a bird does not crap in it's own nest)

4. Antitrust case against Microsoft made people go "oh yeh" about control and exclusive design practices (yes I understand viruses existed before this!) = malice

5. The differculty in obtaining support without spending on expensive consultants or trolling through countless threads of ill-informed advice or disinformation = frustration/malice forming

6. This is the really stupid one and what we call in NZ as "Tall Poppy Syndrome": knock over the big guy - just because he is bigger than me = insane malice

All business practices and competitive activities persist because somebody is prepared to do something others are not. Writing viruses and malware is a competitive activity, preventing these and protecting against them is also a competitive activity that makes a lot of money for those prepared to do it. look for motives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The virus Vs OS platform argument does not seem to be about the number of users, fame motives of crackers or even OS stability. More so about the intention of the individual user Vs the (perceived) intentions of publisher of the software.</p>
<p>I have not been able to break my power book yet, despite running 10.3.9 on a 867 MHz machine (runs fine with only one crash in 5 months). I perceived Apple&#8217;s intentions to be supportive, helpful - even when using an old 2nd-hand machine running an OS not recommended for the hardware. I would never do anything to hurt Apple.</p>
<p>I have not been able to break my 500Mhz P3 running Mepis yet. As a newbe to the linux world, I was delighted to find that my &#8216;dump&#8217; questions were answered respectfully and quickly by the Mepis community. I would never consider doing anything to hurt Mepis.</p>
<p>Breaking the XP machine is a weekly occurance, complete with data loss. work-flow interuption and loss of earnings. This is despite having all updates continuously, AV, hardware and software firewalls, using webmail and upkeeping software health and data cohesiveness. I am forced to migrate my business activities to other (completely alien) OS, just so I can sleep a night knowing my business will function the next work day. Microsoft has cost me a lot of money and time. I don&#8217;t feel that I would cross the road to kick it&#8217;s corpse. It is differcult to avoid emotional profanity when ones income and sanity is threatened. I have no intention of ever hurting Microsoft and admire the initial vision of a PC in every home (and what that has done for intellectual freedom via domestic accessiblity to WWW),</p>
<p>I do however see how a cracker could theoritically wish to hurt Microsoft&#8217;s reputation via attacking the user with a virus or malware.</p>
<p>1. The high functionallity of XP can encourage the user to be lazy = opportunity</p>
<p>2. Holes in security and OS due to high functionality and accessibilty = opportunity</p>
<p>3. Other OS could be seen as the domain of geeks = exclusion (a bird does not crap in it&#8217;s own nest)</p>
<p>4. Antitrust case against Microsoft made people go &#8220;oh yeh&#8221; about control and exclusive design practices (yes I understand viruses existed before this!) = malice</p>
<p>5. The differculty in obtaining support without spending on expensive consultants or trolling through countless threads of ill-informed advice or disinformation = frustration/malice forming</p>
<p>6. This is the really stupid one and what we call in NZ as &#8220;Tall Poppy Syndrome&#8221;: knock over the big guy - just because he is bigger than me = insane malice</p>
<p>All business practices and competitive activities persist because somebody is prepared to do something others are not. Writing viruses and malware is a competitive activity, preventing these and protecting against them is also a competitive activity that makes a lot of money for those prepared to do it. look for motives.</p>
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		<title>By: RaHAHahaaaaaaaaa</title>
		<link>http://theappleblog.com/2005/06/24/viruses-on-mac-os-x/#comment-2568</link>
		<dc:creator>RaHAHahaaaaaaaaa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Feb 2007 02:57:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it possible that the makers of Windows are making viruses of MAC's and the makers are makine viruses for Windows?? Think this has ever happened??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it possible that the makers of Windows are making viruses of MAC&#8217;s and the makers are makine viruses for Windows?? Think this has ever happened??</p>
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		<title>By: Sverre Helgesen</title>
		<link>http://theappleblog.com/2005/06/24/viruses-on-mac-os-x/#comment-2567</link>
		<dc:creator>Sverre Helgesen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jan 2007 17:10:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've suddenly been having gobs of trouble with my eMac. I've run Norton AV and defrag; it crashes; I've run Intego VBx4 and it says all is great; I've done several clean reinstalls and dics repairs, apparently with success. I still get occasional freezes and have to pull the power plug and restart, sometimes it won't start so I have to forcably put in the install CD and restart on 'C' to do yet another reinstall. I've occasionally had text come up on the screen that indicates that Apple is checking something (the Apple site is my start page and kicks in automatically, so they would notice a freeze at this time) and waiting for an automatic debugger to kick in, but even after 12 hours it hadn't, so I pull the plug again and... I've sent a bug-report to Apple. But out checking on the www it seems there are no bugs and worms that effect OSX Macs. I can but deduce that my 60Mb HD is having trouble. I once recall having JavaScript writing all over my screen for a few minutes, then dissappear, after clicking on many www site. I'm researching old friends, some were photo glam-models in the 50-60's, so I've been to a few of 'those' sites and have found pics of them (that's my excuse!) and also The Holy Grail and the Masonic black occult (same thing). If it is a bug - as somebody has already said in this forum - there's no point in buying a new virus-checker, it won't be on it. I'm going to buy a new HD next week and hope that's the end of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve suddenly been having gobs of trouble with my eMac. I&#8217;ve run Norton AV and defrag; it crashes; I&#8217;ve run Intego VBx4 and it says all is great; I&#8217;ve done several clean reinstalls and dics repairs, apparently with success. I still get occasional freezes and have to pull the power plug and restart, sometimes it won&#8217;t start so I have to forcably put in the install CD and restart on &#8216;C&#8217; to do yet another reinstall. I&#8217;ve occasionally had text come up on the screen that indicates that Apple is checking something (the Apple site is my start page and kicks in automatically, so they would notice a freeze at this time) and waiting for an automatic debugger to kick in, but even after 12 hours it hadn&#8217;t, so I pull the plug again and&#8230; I&#8217;ve sent a bug-report to Apple. But out checking on the www it seems there are no bugs and worms that effect OSX Macs. I can but deduce that my 60Mb HD is having trouble. I once recall having JavaScript writing all over my screen for a few minutes, then dissappear, after clicking on many www site. I&#8217;m researching old friends, some were photo glam-models in the 50-60&#8217;s, so I&#8217;ve been to a few of &#8216;those&#8217; sites and have found pics of them (that&#8217;s my excuse!) and also The Holy Grail and the Masonic black occult (same thing). If it is a bug - as somebody has already said in this forum - there&#8217;s no point in buying a new virus-checker, it won&#8217;t be on it. I&#8217;m going to buy a new HD next week and hope that&#8217;s the end of it.</p>
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		<title>By: wow.. logic much?</title>
		<link>http://theappleblog.com/2005/06/24/viruses-on-mac-os-x/#comment-2566</link>
		<dc:creator>wow.. logic much?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Nov 2006 18:22:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Think of it this way.. not that many people are rocking an apple, so people who create viruses don't care about ya'll.

It's all about terror, and hurting the largest amount of people they can. And realistically.. if 90% of the people with computers own a PC, then why would they even care about apples.

If you can write a harmful virus for microsoft program, you can write one for an apple program. makes since to me.

Apple isn't special, it's accualy so basic, it's scarry.

I accualy hope more people buy apples, so some of the people making viruses for the pc, will accualy change their focus to anyone with an apple! that would reduce the amount of attacks on pc owners, and make everyone just a little bit happier.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Think of it this way.. not that many people are rocking an apple, so people who create viruses don&#8217;t care about ya&#8217;ll.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s all about terror, and hurting the largest amount of people they can. And realistically.. if 90% of the people with computers own a PC, then why would they even care about apples.</p>
<p>If you can write a harmful virus for microsoft program, you can write one for an apple program. makes since to me.</p>
<p>Apple isn&#8217;t special, it&#8217;s accualy so basic, it&#8217;s scarry.</p>
<p>I accualy hope more people buy apples, so some of the people making viruses for the pc, will accualy change their focus to anyone with an apple! that would reduce the amount of attacks on pc owners, and make everyone just a little bit happier.</p>
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		<title>By: Graham Hadley</title>
		<link>http://theappleblog.com/2005/06/24/viruses-on-mac-os-x/#comment-2565</link>
		<dc:creator>Graham Hadley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Sep 2006 21:24:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bad news, sophos has found the first virus for mac os x. Read about it here. http://www.sophos.com/pressoffice/news/articles/2006/02/macosxleap.html

but i dont care because im running windows...the better option. i definitely agree with this guy ^.  no one gives a shit about macs and doesn't want to make a virus for an operating system that is being used by 0.1% of the united states population.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bad news, sophos has found the first virus for mac os x. Read about it here. <a href="http://www.sophos.com/pressoffice/news/articles/2006/02/macosxleap.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.sophos.com/pressoffice/news/articles/2006/02/macosxleap.html</a></p>
<p>but i dont care because im running windows&#8230;the better option. i definitely agree with this guy ^.  no one gives a shit about macs and doesn&#8217;t want to make a virus for an operating system that is being used by 0.1% of the united states population.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
		<link>http://theappleblog.com/2005/06/24/viruses-on-mac-os-x/#comment-2564</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Sep 2006 08:07:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nathan, you are correct. Its not that MACS are invincible. It is the sheer fact that 90% of the world is windows based and so why make a virus for 5% when you can write one for 90%? I am tired of seeing the stupid mac commercials saying that macs "Dont get viruses or spyware". Its not that they dont, its just that well.....we dont care about macs!! But if apple keeps saying that it wont ever happen, then they might piss off the wrong person and it will happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nathan, you are correct. Its not that MACS are invincible. It is the sheer fact that 90% of the world is windows based and so why make a virus for 5% when you can write one for 90%? I am tired of seeing the stupid mac commercials saying that macs &#8220;Dont get viruses or spyware&#8221;. Its not that they dont, its just that well&#8230;..we dont care about macs!! But if apple keeps saying that it wont ever happen, then they might piss off the wrong person and it will happen.</p>
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