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	<title>Comments on: Quicksilver &amp; Tiger: Part I</title>
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		<title>By: Nick Santilli</title>
		<link>http://theappleblog.com/2005/07/18/495/#comment-2847</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick Santilli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jul 2006 18:43:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good call Marc.  Done.</description>
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		<title>By: Marc</title>
		<link>http://theappleblog.com/2005/07/18/495/#comment-2846</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jul 2006 15:46:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You should put a link to this on your Feb 18 article, &quot;Quicksilver Changes Everything.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You should put a link to this on your Feb 18 article, &#8220;Quicksilver Changes Everything.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Santilli</title>
		<link>http://theappleblog.com/2005/07/18/495/#comment-2845</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick Santilli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Apr 2006 23:34:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Justin - There actually is at least one (maybe a couple) Spotlight plugin for Quicksilver.  So you can tie the two together if you so choose.

The nice thing about Quicksilver&#039;s indexing is you can be very specific in the way you set it up.  You can specify some folders with indexing going 3 levels deep, or other folders that are indexed without it going any deeper.  Look into the CATALOGS section of the Preferences.  There&#039;s lots of stuff in there to tweak.

Also, you can set how often Quicksilver indexes - I think mine is every 10 minutes.  The more regularly it runs, the more cycles it may consume, but then again it&#039;ll satisfy that instant need you refer to.


I guess it all boils down to your preference - keyboard or mouse?  I like my hands on the keyboard as often as possible - it only slows me down having to reach for a mouse.  But Plugins seem to be slowly popping up for Spotlight.  I&#039;d hope that Leopard (10.5) comes with a more open framework for adding Spotlight Plugins.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Justin &#8211; There actually is at least one (maybe a couple) Spotlight plugin for Quicksilver.  So you can tie the two together if you so choose.</p>
<p>The nice thing about Quicksilver&#8217;s indexing is you can be very specific in the way you set it up.  You can specify some folders with indexing going 3 levels deep, or other folders that are indexed without it going any deeper.  Look into the CATALOGS section of the Preferences.  There&#8217;s lots of stuff in there to tweak.</p>
<p>Also, you can set how often Quicksilver indexes &#8211; I think mine is every 10 minutes.  The more regularly it runs, the more cycles it may consume, but then again it&#8217;ll satisfy that instant need you refer to.</p>
<p>I guess it all boils down to your preference &#8211; keyboard or mouse?  I like my hands on the keyboard as often as possible &#8211; it only slows me down having to reach for a mouse.  But Plugins seem to be slowly popping up for Spotlight.  I&#8217;d hope that Leopard (10.5) comes with a more open framework for adding Spotlight Plugins.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin Ryan</title>
		<link>http://theappleblog.com/2005/07/18/495/#comment-2844</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Apr 2006 23:15:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find that Quicksilver&#039;s interface is useful, but I wonder why it isn&#039;t tying into the spotlight index.  One major drawback of non-instant indexing is that I can&#039;t install an application and launch it with quicksilver..

Also, I wonder if some of quicksilver&#039;s other functionality can be grafted onto the spotlight interface via plugins, even for finder.  a lot of this translates to document / file actions which would normally live in the right-click context menu.

leaving all this in place outside of QS would make it mostly a handy interface to spotlight, which i think would be the ideal model these days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find that Quicksilver&#8217;s interface is useful, but I wonder why it isn&#8217;t tying into the spotlight index.  One major drawback of non-instant indexing is that I can&#8217;t install an application and launch it with quicksilver..</p>
<p>Also, I wonder if some of quicksilver&#8217;s other functionality can be grafted onto the spotlight interface via plugins, even for finder.  a lot of this translates to document / file actions which would normally live in the right-click context menu.</p>
<p>leaving all this in place outside of QS would make it mostly a handy interface to spotlight, which i think would be the ideal model these days.</p>
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		<title>By: ApplePenguin</title>
		<link>http://theappleblog.com/2005/07/18/495/#comment-2838</link>
		<dc:creator>ApplePenguin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jul 2005 01:21:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve tried Butler, Quicksilver, and Spotlight.

Quicksilver really wasn&#039;t as useful for me as Butler is. I use Butler to create key combination for things like iTunes. I also use it as an application launcher, and that&#039;s all it&#039;s set to index.

to find anything else, I use Spotlight.

When I tried out quicksilver last, it was quite a while ago, I might try it out again to see if it&#039;s improved a bit...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve tried Butler, Quicksilver, and Spotlight.</p>
<p>Quicksilver really wasn&#8217;t as useful for me as Butler is. I use Butler to create key combination for things like iTunes. I also use it as an application launcher, and that&#8217;s all it&#8217;s set to index.</p>
<p>to find anything else, I use Spotlight.</p>
<p>When I tried out quicksilver last, it was quite a while ago, I might try it out again to see if it&#8217;s improved a bit&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Daveed V.</title>
		<link>http://theappleblog.com/2005/07/18/495/#comment-2839</link>
		<dc:creator>Daveed V.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jul 2005 14:31:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I use Unix shells (ksh and bash, primarily) all day and Quicksilver as well. It&#039;s true that could do everything in the shell, but not as efficiently overall.

One great advantage of QS is that it &quot;operates in the current (GUI) context&quot;. In other words, when I&#039;m e.g. working in Mail, I can access QS facilities with both my mind and the UI still in &quot;Mail mode&quot;, whereas moving to a shell context would slow me down.

Wrt. Spotlight vs. QS, it&#039;s worth mentioning the Quicksilver Spotlight query module, which allows updating the catalog using Spotlight queries instead of (or better, in addition to) the more traditional file system scans.  For example, I added a &quot;kind:app&quot; query and removed the various application folders: The net result is a lot snappier in my case (I&#039;m a developer with apps all over the place; previously, QS was cataloguing a lot of unnecessary files because my application directories were too coarsely defined).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I use Unix shells (ksh and bash, primarily) all day and Quicksilver as well. It&#8217;s true that could do everything in the shell, but not as efficiently overall.</p>
<p>One great advantage of QS is that it &#8220;operates in the current (GUI) context&#8221;. In other words, when I&#8217;m e.g. working in Mail, I can access QS facilities with both my mind and the UI still in &#8220;Mail mode&#8221;, whereas moving to a shell context would slow me down.</p>
<p>Wrt. Spotlight vs. QS, it&#8217;s worth mentioning the Quicksilver Spotlight query module, which allows updating the catalog using Spotlight queries instead of (or better, in addition to) the more traditional file system scans.  For example, I added a &#8220;kind:app&#8221; query and removed the various application folders: The net result is a lot snappier in my case (I&#8217;m a developer with apps all over the place; previously, QS was cataloguing a lot of unnecessary files because my application directories were too coarsely defined).</p>
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		<title>By: sriram srinivasan</title>
		<link>http://theappleblog.com/2005/07/18/495/#comment-2840</link>
		<dc:creator>sriram srinivasan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jul 2005 02:20:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m an old Unix hack and a touch typist.

I prefer QuickSilver (to the shell) for launching apps and looking up entries in an address book and looking up bookmarked URLs. I find it faster to hit cmd-space p-r-e  to open Preview than to use the &quot;open&quot; command on the terminal because open doesn&#039;t care for PATH. It is much easier to cmd-space and type the first few chars of a person&#039;s name and have the address book entry pop-up than any other method I know, including using the dashboard. Likewise with URLs.

Spotlight is much slower for the kind of things that QS is good for, but it&#039;s strength is a detailed indexing of documents, which means I can now keep all downloaded docs in one folder without attempting to impose a structure on it.

I find I have little use for Dashboard. After I&#039;ve been using the system for a while, the dashboard widgets get swapped out and they take a non-negligible amount of time to swap back in. More memory would fix it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m an old Unix hack and a touch typist.</p>
<p>I prefer QuickSilver (to the shell) for launching apps and looking up entries in an address book and looking up bookmarked URLs. I find it faster to hit cmd-space p-r-e  to open Preview than to use the &#8220;open&#8221; command on the terminal because open doesn&#8217;t care for PATH. It is much easier to cmd-space and type the first few chars of a person&#8217;s name and have the address book entry pop-up than any other method I know, including using the dashboard. Likewise with URLs.</p>
<p>Spotlight is much slower for the kind of things that QS is good for, but it&#8217;s strength is a detailed indexing of documents, which means I can now keep all downloaded docs in one folder without attempting to impose a structure on it.</p>
<p>I find I have little use for Dashboard. After I&#8217;ve been using the system for a while, the dashboard widgets get swapped out and they take a non-negligible amount of time to swap back in. More memory would fix it.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter da Silva</title>
		<link>http://theappleblog.com/2005/07/18/495/#comment-2841</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter da Silva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jul 2005 22:34:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem is that it doesn&#039;t provide all the functionality of the UNIX shell.

And the UNIX shell really is a revolution waiting for you to discover it. It&#039;s not just a CLI, it&#039;s a whole environment... back before GUIs were practical, it was the UNIX shell that had people cloning it the way people cloned the Xerox Star and the Mac.

I can visualise a GUI shell that&#039;s a capable as the UNIX shell. I haven&#039;t played with Automator (I&#039;m still on Panther), but it sounds like it might get part way there. Really, though, you should be able to build pipelines graphically, so you can run a program or drag the output to another waiting script and tie it all together ad hoc as you need it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem is that it doesn&#8217;t provide all the functionality of the UNIX shell.</p>
<p>And the UNIX shell really is a revolution waiting for you to discover it. It&#8217;s not just a CLI, it&#8217;s a whole environment&#8230; back before GUIs were practical, it was the UNIX shell that had people cloning it the way people cloned the Xerox Star and the Mac.</p>
<p>I can visualise a GUI shell that&#8217;s a capable as the UNIX shell. I haven&#8217;t played with Automator (I&#8217;m still on Panther), but it sounds like it might get part way there. Really, though, you should be able to build pipelines graphically, so you can run a program or drag the output to another waiting script and tie it all together ad hoc as you need it.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Santilli</title>
		<link>http://theappleblog.com/2005/07/18/495/#comment-2842</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick Santilli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jul 2005 14:23:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good points Peter.

I think the draw of Quicksilver though, is it provides all that CLI functionality (POWER) to the layman.  (and puts it in a pretty wrapper to boot!)

I&#039;m marginally proficient using the CLI, but not enough to do all these things so effortlessly.  Thus, QS rules me - as I suspect it rules many others as well.

Do most *nix gurus prefer the CLI to Quicksilver?  just curious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good points Peter.</p>
<p>I think the draw of Quicksilver though, is it provides all that CLI functionality (POWER) to the layman.  (and puts it in a pretty wrapper to boot!)</p>
<p>I&#8217;m marginally proficient using the CLI, but not enough to do all these things so effortlessly.  Thus, QS rules me &#8211; as I suspect it rules many others as well.</p>
<p>Do most *nix gurus prefer the CLI to Quicksilver?  just curious.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter da Silva</title>
		<link>http://theappleblog.com/2005/07/18/495/#comment-2843</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter da Silva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jul 2005 13:07:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Quicksilver can move files on your system, append text to documents, upload files to a website using ftp, locate a file attach it to an email and send the email WITHOUT OPENING MAIL.&quot;

I installed Quicksilver and used it for a while, but I found that I wasn&#039;t using it for anything I couldn&#039;t do in the shell. And the shell is infinitely more flexible and configurable... so I just quit using it and finally deleted it.

I actually found Butler more useful, but finally it wasn&#039;t doing anything I actually needed, except providing a few keyboard macros that I could really live without. So away it went.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Quicksilver can move files on your system, append text to documents, upload files to a website using ftp, locate a file attach it to an email and send the email WITHOUT OPENING MAIL.&#8221;</p>
<p>I installed Quicksilver and used it for a while, but I found that I wasn&#8217;t using it for anything I couldn&#8217;t do in the shell. And the shell is infinitely more flexible and configurable&#8230; so I just quit using it and finally deleted it.</p>
<p>I actually found Butler more useful, but finally it wasn&#8217;t doing anything I actually needed, except providing a few keyboard macros that I could really live without. So away it went.</p>
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