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	<title>Comments on: Quicksilver &#038; Tiger: Part I</title>
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		<title>By: Nick Santilli</title>
		<link>http://theappleblog.com/2005/07/18/495/#comment-58609</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick Santilli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jul 2006 18:43:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good call Marc.  Done.</description>
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		<title>By: Marc</title>
		<link>http://theappleblog.com/2005/07/18/495/#comment-58595</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jul 2006 15:46:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You should put a link to this on your Feb 18 article, "Quicksilver Changes Everything."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You should put a link to this on your Feb 18 article, &#8220;Quicksilver Changes Everything.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Santilli</title>
		<link>http://theappleblog.com/2005/07/18/495/#comment-25272</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick Santilli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Apr 2006 23:34:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Justin - There actually is at least one (maybe a couple) Spotlight plugin for Quicksilver.  So you can tie the two together if you so choose.

The nice thing about Quicksilver's indexing is you can be very specific in the way you set it up.  You can specify some folders with indexing going 3 levels deep, or other folders that are indexed without it going any deeper.  Look into the CATALOGS section of the Preferences.  There's lots of stuff in there to tweak.

Also, you can set how often Quicksilver indexes - I think mine is every 10 minutes.  The more regularly it runs, the more cycles it may consume, but then again it'll satisfy that instant need you refer to.


I guess it all boils down to your preference - keyboard or mouse?  I like my hands on the keyboard as often as possible - it only slows me down having to reach for a mouse.  But Plugins seem to be slowly popping up for Spotlight.  I'd hope that Leopard (10.5) comes with a more open framework for adding Spotlight Plugins.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Justin - There actually is at least one (maybe a couple) Spotlight plugin for Quicksilver.  So you can tie the two together if you so choose.</p>
<p>The nice thing about Quicksilver&#8217;s indexing is you can be very specific in the way you set it up.  You can specify some folders with indexing going 3 levels deep, or other folders that are indexed without it going any deeper.  Look into the CATALOGS section of the Preferences.  There&#8217;s lots of stuff in there to tweak.</p>
<p>Also, you can set how often Quicksilver indexes - I think mine is every 10 minutes.  The more regularly it runs, the more cycles it may consume, but then again it&#8217;ll satisfy that instant need you refer to.</p>
<p>I guess it all boils down to your preference - keyboard or mouse?  I like my hands on the keyboard as often as possible - it only slows me down having to reach for a mouse.  But Plugins seem to be slowly popping up for Spotlight.  I&#8217;d hope that Leopard (10.5) comes with a more open framework for adding Spotlight Plugins.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin Ryan</title>
		<link>http://theappleblog.com/2005/07/18/495/#comment-25270</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Apr 2006 23:15:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find that Quicksilver's interface is useful, but I wonder why it isn't tying into the spotlight index.  One major drawback of non-instant indexing is that I can't install an application and launch it with quicksilver..

Also, I wonder if some of quicksilver's other functionality can be grafted onto the spotlight interface via plugins, even for finder.  a lot of this translates to document / file actions which would normally live in the right-click context menu.

leaving all this in place outside of QS would make it mostly a handy interface to spotlight, which i think would be the ideal model these days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find that Quicksilver&#8217;s interface is useful, but I wonder why it isn&#8217;t tying into the spotlight index.  One major drawback of non-instant indexing is that I can&#8217;t install an application and launch it with quicksilver..</p>
<p>Also, I wonder if some of quicksilver&#8217;s other functionality can be grafted onto the spotlight interface via plugins, even for finder.  a lot of this translates to document / file actions which would normally live in the right-click context menu.</p>
<p>leaving all this in place outside of QS would make it mostly a handy interface to spotlight, which i think would be the ideal model these days.</p>
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		<title>By: ApplePenguin</title>
		<link>http://theappleblog.com/2005/07/18/495/#comment-15243</link>
		<dc:creator>ApplePenguin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jul 2005 01:21:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've tried Butler, Quicksilver, and Spotlight.

Quicksilver really wasn't as useful for me as Butler is. I use Butler to create key combination for things like iTunes. I also use it as an application launcher, and that's all it's set to index.

to find anything else, I use Spotlight.

When I tried out quicksilver last, it was quite a while ago, I might try it out again to see if it's improved a bit...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve tried Butler, Quicksilver, and Spotlight.</p>
<p>Quicksilver really wasn&#8217;t as useful for me as Butler is. I use Butler to create key combination for things like iTunes. I also use it as an application launcher, and that&#8217;s all it&#8217;s set to index.</p>
<p>to find anything else, I use Spotlight.</p>
<p>When I tried out quicksilver last, it was quite a while ago, I might try it out again to see if it&#8217;s improved a bit&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Daveed V.</title>
		<link>http://theappleblog.com/2005/07/18/495/#comment-15224</link>
		<dc:creator>Daveed V.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jul 2005 14:31:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I use Unix shells (ksh and bash, primarily) all day and Quicksilver as well. It's true that could do everything in the shell, but not as efficiently overall.

One great advantage of QS is that it "operates in the current (GUI) context". In other words, when I'm e.g. working in Mail, I can access QS facilities with both my mind and the UI still in "Mail mode", whereas moving to a shell context would slow me down.

Wrt. Spotlight vs. QS, it's worth mentioning the Quicksilver Spotlight query module, which allows updating the catalog using Spotlight queries instead of (or better, in addition to) the more traditional file system scans.  For example, I added a "kind:app" query and removed the various application folders: The net result is a lot snappier in my case (I'm a developer with apps all over the place; previously, QS was cataloguing a lot of unnecessary files because my application directories were too coarsely defined).
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I use Unix shells (ksh and bash, primarily) all day and Quicksilver as well. It&#8217;s true that could do everything in the shell, but not as efficiently overall.</p>
<p>One great advantage of QS is that it &#8220;operates in the current (GUI) context&#8221;. In other words, when I&#8217;m e.g. working in Mail, I can access QS facilities with both my mind and the UI still in &#8220;Mail mode&#8221;, whereas moving to a shell context would slow me down.</p>
<p>Wrt. Spotlight vs. QS, it&#8217;s worth mentioning the Quicksilver Spotlight query module, which allows updating the catalog using Spotlight queries instead of (or better, in addition to) the more traditional file system scans.  For example, I added a &#8220;kind:app&#8221; query and removed the various application folders: The net result is a lot snappier in my case (I&#8217;m a developer with apps all over the place; previously, QS was cataloguing a lot of unnecessary files because my application directories were too coarsely defined).</p>
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		<title>By: sriram srinivasan</title>
		<link>http://theappleblog.com/2005/07/18/495/#comment-15216</link>
		<dc:creator>sriram srinivasan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jul 2005 02:20:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm an old Unix hack and a touch typist.

I prefer QuickSilver (to the shell) for launching apps and looking up entries in an address book and looking up bookmarked URLs. I find it faster to hit cmd-space p-r-e  to open Preview than to use the "open" command on the terminal because open doesn't care for PATH. It is much easier to cmd-space and type the first few chars of a person's name and have the address book entry pop-up than any other method I know, including using the dashboard. Likewise with URLs.

Spotlight is much slower for the kind of things that QS is good for, but it's strength is a detailed indexing of documents, which means I can now keep all downloaded docs in one folder without attempting to impose a structure on it. 

I find I have little use for Dashboard. After I've been using the system for a while, the dashboard widgets get swapped out and they take a non-negligible amount of time to swap back in. More memory would fix it. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m an old Unix hack and a touch typist.</p>
<p>I prefer QuickSilver (to the shell) for launching apps and looking up entries in an address book and looking up bookmarked URLs. I find it faster to hit cmd-space p-r-e  to open Preview than to use the &#8220;open&#8221; command on the terminal because open doesn&#8217;t care for PATH. It is much easier to cmd-space and type the first few chars of a person&#8217;s name and have the address book entry pop-up than any other method I know, including using the dashboard. Likewise with URLs.</p>
<p>Spotlight is much slower for the kind of things that QS is good for, but it&#8217;s strength is a detailed indexing of documents, which means I can now keep all downloaded docs in one folder without attempting to impose a structure on it. </p>
<p>I find I have little use for Dashboard. After I&#8217;ve been using the system for a while, the dashboard widgets get swapped out and they take a non-negligible amount of time to swap back in. More memory would fix it.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter da Silva</title>
		<link>http://theappleblog.com/2005/07/18/495/#comment-15209</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter da Silva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jul 2005 22:34:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem is that it doesn't provide all the functionality of the UNIX shell.

And the UNIX shell really is a revolution waiting for you to discover it. It's not just a CLI, it's a whole environment... back before GUIs were practical, it was the UNIX shell that had people cloning it the way people cloned the Xerox Star and the Mac.

I can visualise a GUI shell that's a capable as the UNIX shell. I haven't played with Automator (I'm still on Panther), but it sounds like it might get part way there. Really, though, you should be able to build pipelines graphically, so you can run a program or drag the output to another waiting script and tie it all together ad hoc as you need it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem is that it doesn&#8217;t provide all the functionality of the UNIX shell.</p>
<p>And the UNIX shell really is a revolution waiting for you to discover it. It&#8217;s not just a CLI, it&#8217;s a whole environment&#8230; back before GUIs were practical, it was the UNIX shell that had people cloning it the way people cloned the Xerox Star and the Mac.</p>
<p>I can visualise a GUI shell that&#8217;s a capable as the UNIX shell. I haven&#8217;t played with Automator (I&#8217;m still on Panther), but it sounds like it might get part way there. Really, though, you should be able to build pipelines graphically, so you can run a program or drag the output to another waiting script and tie it all together ad hoc as you need it.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Santilli</title>
		<link>http://theappleblog.com/2005/07/18/495/#comment-15206</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick Santilli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jul 2005 14:23:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good points Peter.

I think the draw of Quicksilver though, is it provides all that CLI functionality (POWER) to the layman.  (and puts it in a pretty wrapper to boot!)

I'm marginally proficient using the CLI, but not enough to do all these things so effortlessly.  Thus, QS rules me - as I suspect it rules many others as well.

Do most *nix gurus prefer the CLI to Quicksilver?  just curious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good points Peter.</p>
<p>I think the draw of Quicksilver though, is it provides all that CLI functionality (POWER) to the layman.  (and puts it in a pretty wrapper to boot!)</p>
<p>I&#8217;m marginally proficient using the CLI, but not enough to do all these things so effortlessly.  Thus, QS rules me - as I suspect it rules many others as well.</p>
<p>Do most *nix gurus prefer the CLI to Quicksilver?  just curious.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter da Silva</title>
		<link>http://theappleblog.com/2005/07/18/495/#comment-15205</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter da Silva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jul 2005 13:07:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Quicksilver can move files on your system, append text to documents, upload files to a website using ftp, locate a file attach it to an email and send the email WITHOUT OPENING MAIL."

I installed Quicksilver and used it for a while, but I found that I wasn't using it for anything I couldn't do in the shell. And the shell is infinitely more flexible and configurable... so I just quit using it and finally deleted it.

I actually found Butler more useful, but finally it wasn't doing anything I actually needed, except providing a few keyboard macros that I could really live without. So away it went.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Quicksilver can move files on your system, append text to documents, upload files to a website using ftp, locate a file attach it to an email and send the email WITHOUT OPENING MAIL.&#8221;</p>
<p>I installed Quicksilver and used it for a while, but I found that I wasn&#8217;t using it for anything I couldn&#8217;t do in the shell. And the shell is infinitely more flexible and configurable&#8230; so I just quit using it and finally deleted it.</p>
<p>I actually found Butler more useful, but finally it wasn&#8217;t doing anything I actually needed, except providing a few keyboard macros that I could really live without. So away it went.</p>
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