But this year, I refused to fork over $99 to renew a service that has not improved with the price tag. In agreement with others stated above: I can get free, bigger, better, and faster service elsewhere.

Some months ago, I added my “complaints” to a thread of similar issues about .MAC on the Apple support discussion board, (slow speed, downtime, spam, useless “free” software, cumbersome iDisk, etc.) The reply to my post (and others) was so condescending and unhelpful…basically I am a stupid user, I need to stop whinging and .MAC is the best email system.

Immediately, I put an auto responder on my .mac account to let everyone know that I was discontinuing my .mac account and to contact me on my gmail account. My .mac account expired three months later and I didn’t renew. Most everyone got the message.

Thanks All. I wont be singing up for this.

“Look out kid
Don’t matter what you did
Walk on your tip toes
Don’t try “No Doz”
Better stay away from those
That carry around a fire hose
Keep a clean nose
Watch the plain clothes
You don’t need a weather man
To know which way the wind blows”

s: Subterranean Homesick Blues

And yes there are certain things that I would not write down in any email .Mac or Gmail.

As for the free alternatives to .Mac mail using information contained in emails as a marketing tool (ala Gmail) that is something that I am aware of and I accept. I also believe that it is algorithms rather than human intervention that provide these encroachments into privacy / extra value services depending on your view point.

Whilst I do not consider the contents of my emails public domain I equally accept that they may be viewed by the company that provides the service or the government, that is if I was to do anything that would arouse suspicion. As to how these electronic communications would gain the interest of the authorities I would think that an individual would have to be mentioning certain words / phrases for the filters to pick up on them. I’m not sure how mind blowingly complex this issue could get or if the powers that be are scanning everything everybody is doing anyway. It does stand to reason that if Google are analysing the email contents for marketing purposes it would be very simple for them to track anything untoward.

I know that the UK police have foiled a number of terrorist attacks recently I wonder if any of these successes have been helped by the relaxation of privacy laws?

I would be uncomfortable if Google sold my Data to a 3rd party rather than matched the contents with possible services. However I do not believe that this is how they do business please correct me if I’m wrong as we are getting very deep here.

As for stealing data I would think the risks would be comparable what ever email service you used (so long as it isn’t Bob the crooks email service). We all have to take our security seriously online and off-line.

I don’t think it is off topic as this discussion will at least inform people about the pro’s and con’s of something so “simple” as signing up to a free email service and dropping .Mac.

I would like to say that I’m a left wing person and I do take these issues seriously. However I’m not looking to do harm to anyone or commit a crime so I don’t really worry about privacy in this instance.

You don’t have to be a “bad guy” or do something illegal in order to care about your privacy. We need to be able to communicate without someone listening, reading or examining what we say, with who and how.

Privacy is something that we tend to give up on recently for the sake of our security, although it doesn’t seem to have helped a lot. And at the same time, our lives become more transparent and we become more vulnerable to those who handle our personal information.

And there is no guarantee that our information will always remain in the hands of those who care about us in a good way. Data get lost, sold, stolen… and you may never know about it.

Thanks for allowing me to be a little off-topic.

You could also say that Google and Yahoo have questionable morals with regards to China for instance, but from recent reports Apple could also try harder (and now are doing).

I would say that I’m a pretty average web user apart from being a builder of websites and I certainly don’t produce sites for any bad guys…

My point being on the whole if you keep your nose clean then you have nothing to worry about.

muchos tacos

Best wishies for everyOneOutThere(be_good:Mind;be_free:Mind;be_strong:BrainStructure);

Diego

Hey, no sweat… it’s all one big mac party anyway!!!

I’m not attacking you Rich, I’m just winding you up and I’m sorry. I don’t care really to argue or moan about .Mac, I’m going to let my account expire because it isn’t value for money (for me).

I choose open source or free alternatives because it suits me and my pocket to do so.

And before you tell me that I’m comparing apples to oranges, I’ll tell you that the major thing .mac offers is space… space for your web pages and mail, your iDisk, your Photocasts and Sync data. The syncing / publishing / backup is done in your computer, by software you have already paid for, and .mac is needed only (mostly) to provide the space to host the files.

The online services that .mac offers are not so many: webmail, a WYSIWIG page creator (Homepage, which will become obsolete now with iWeb), and Groups.

What Apple did, is add nice features to its applications (which would easily cooperate with other online storage services or a local server) and ties them to the .mac.
Apple should treat its customers better than that. A free .mac account for every Mac or iLife purchase would be ideal. They could charge for more features or for secondary accounts.

[Sorry fella, I though this was a discussion about not renewing .Mac…]

No, it’s a discussion about why someone (probably) will not be renewing their .mac account. A small, but important distinction.

[It’s “Blagged” by the way:
1. To rob or steal something.
2. To scrounge something; to get it for nothing.]

No, the proper term is bagged - verb used in the figurative, “to succeed in securing (something) : we’ve bagged three awards for excellence.” Apple is not stealing or scrounging something. They are selling a service to (securing) a customer.

[All I want to know is, are we really a “small group of complainers” or are a lot of people dissatisfied?]

Evidently, you are a small group of complainers. Apple has “one million and counting – because the number of .Mac members has nearly doubled in the past two years.” Source: http://www.mac.com/1/developer.html

[Me, I’m probably still a little bit cheesed off from when they started charging and switched from iTools!]

Yes, you are cheesed-off. Just don’t attack someone (me) for giving valid examples of the value of a .mac account. If you’re not using more than email, it’s probably not for you. I’m a member since iTools and still a satisfied user. Try offering constructive criticism.

Have a nice day, fella.

>Sorry fella, I though this was a discussion about not renewing .Mac…It’s “Blagged” by the way:
1. To rob or steal something.
2. To scrounge something; to get it for nothing.
Example: blagged his way into the clubAll I want to know is, are we really a “small group of complainers” or are a lot of people dissatisfied?

It’s “Blagged” by the way:

1. To rob or steal something.
2. To scrounge something; to get it for nothing.
Example: blagged his way into the club

It’s English English though they probably use it some other places.

All I want to know is, are we really a “small group of complainers” or are a lot of people dissatisfied?

Me, I’m probably still a little bit cheesed off from when they started charging and switched from iTools!

I use Sync to manage bookmarks and mail accounts across 4 computers — Backup to keep copies of all my computer’s settings during system upgrades and to backup all photos, music, and emails to external discs — iWeb to host blogsand podcasts, link pictures, and stream video and audio files to other websites I have. I use iDisk to hold files too large to email for others to access and download. I publish Calendars and use iChat for group meetings. My experience with multiple .mac mail accounts has been just fine. In short, I use most (if not all) of .macs’ features.

I’ve been a user since iTools and still think the service is worth it. I disagree that newcomers are “bagged” or tricked into buying. I suspect they really benefit from its “ease-of-use” and general hand-holding. If anyone thinks they’ve outgrown it, or can get better buy stitching together whatever “free” options they can find… great! Move on and leave the rest of us alone.

To the small group of complainers: Yeah, maybe for you it’s overpriced if you’re only using email, but for me… I’m a happy camper!

I wonder if the majority of sign up’s still come from the original iTools people? Or have the later sign ups overtook us…

Not that I’m saying .Mac isn’t good it’s just that I think it is over priced and the web email service isn’t up to scratch with some of the free services.

I also forgot to say that SPAM is getting out of control on my .Mac address…

YES! As i stated in my last post i have let two apple managers know of this blog and this thread.. As weel as another. Hopefully they read and heed.

I will download all the freebies before my subscription ends but I will probably never use them…

Would it be wise to bring these posts to the attention of someone at Apple?

(RichS)
I have just ordered my .mac software from Amazon ( found a way to get delivery just across the border ) and will be renewing my account _one_ more year. In the meantime i have contacted an Apple Manager and have voiced my displeasure with the .mac service ( slow idisk, unfair pricing for non-us residents, the inadequate function of Backup ( there is no way to set it to overwrite existing back-up files…it keeps saving versions, in spite of what my “plan” says) and other concerns. I have directed him to this thread, as well as others. I think Apple mangers need to hear about our frustrations with DOT MAC. Apple Marketing managers are out of touch with the various other and just as good services we can switch to for free or in some cases less money. In the next year I will be ensuring that all my contacts will have my Gmail email account. So if things are _not_improved by next year at this time, it’s bye bye .Mac…. for good! I encourage other to contact Apple about their experiences with .MAC

Of course, the problem as mentioned by Florian above - the “automatically” options doesn’t work! I always, always, always have to manually update in order to revise my bookmarks, contacts, etc. from my desktop to my laptop. (It even says it synced earlier that day, but it doesn’t. Very frustrating!)

.Mac is in need of a MAJOR upgrade. I can justify the .Mac account as a business expense, but I also don’t like to waste $$$s. C’mon Apple - an online extension of your great Mac products deserves a better online experience.

Steve J., give us a reason to stay!

Good luck!