Comments on: iDefrag http://theappleblog.com/2006/11/19/idefrag-review/ The Apple Blog, published by and for the day-to-day Apple user, is a prominent source for news, reviews, walkthroughs, and real life application of all Apple products. Fri, 29 Aug 2008 21:16:57 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: Eugene Kriegsmann http://theappleblog.com/2006/11/19/idefrag-review/#comment-119165 Eugene Kriegsmann Mon, 04 Aug 2008 19:17:15 +0000 http://theappleblog.com/2006/11/19/idefrag-review/#comment-119165 Back on to this thread, I am amazed at the reaction of Macheads to the idea that you might need to use a third party utility to resolve issues like fragmentation. I have had several discussions with otherwise rational people who simply cannot accept that Macs aren't perfect. Hey, I love my Macs. I wouldn't trade them for the world, but somethings need to be dealt with beyond what comes in the box. It doesn't diminish the wonderfulness or make a Mac more like a Windows computer. It is just a real issue that needs to be dealt with in a rational manner, buy the software, install it, use it periodically. It isn't sacrilege. You will not be struck with lightning or have Steve Jobs come by your house and slap your wrist. In short, get over it. It is a computer, not a religion. Back on to this thread, I am amazed at the reaction of Macheads to the idea that you might need to use a third party utility to resolve issues like fragmentation. I have had several discussions with otherwise rational people who simply cannot accept that Macs aren’t perfect. Hey, I love my Macs. I wouldn’t trade them for the world, but somethings need to be dealt with beyond what comes in the box. It doesn’t diminish the wonderfulness or make a Mac more like a Windows computer. It is just a real issue that needs to be dealt with in a rational manner, buy the software, install it, use it periodically. It isn’t sacrilege. You will not be struck with lightning or have Steve Jobs come by your house and slap your wrist. In short, get over it. It is a computer, not a religion.

]]> By: Eugene Kriegsmann http://theappleblog.com/2006/11/19/idefrag-review/#comment-119164 Eugene Kriegsmann Mon, 04 Aug 2008 19:11:43 +0000 http://theappleblog.com/2006/11/19/idefrag-review/#comment-119164 I don't want to hijack this thread with irrelevances, but just one comment. If my hard drive fails I am not going to pay Apple or anyone else $500 to replace it. I replace hard drives in PCs and laptops all of the time. It just isn't rocket science Admittedly, the iMac is a bit more complex than a PC, but so is a laptop. If you don't learn to repair your own equipment you are always going to be a victim, with PC or Mac. I don’t want to hijack this thread with irrelevances, but just one comment. If my hard drive fails I am not going to pay Apple or anyone else $500 to replace it. I replace hard drives in PCs and laptops all of the time. It just isn’t rocket science Admittedly, the iMac is a bit more complex than a PC, but so is a laptop. If you don’t learn to repair your own equipment you are always going to be a victim, with PC or Mac.

]]> By: Steve http://theappleblog.com/2006/11/19/idefrag-review/#comment-119163 Steve Mon, 04 Aug 2008 18:59:34 +0000 http://theappleblog.com/2006/11/19/idefrag-review/#comment-119163 Yeah micorsoft really sucks but i just bought a nice new quad core for $1300 and any mac around the power i got would at least be around $1800.  Its just that apple markets for cash money.  The i mac i was just on had a hard drive failure and it wasnt even 2 years old.  I looked into other sites and it seems that apple makes this happen to alot of people.  2 years and they charge almost $500 to replace a hard disk.  Ridiculous!  Im gonna do it for around $80.  OS X is a nice operating system I will admit but PC's hold the market and their programs always have alot more too them. (Plus the fact i can finnaly play video games)   Windows is unstable shit but Vista is really nice.  But again i will admit if windows was in an os x enviroment the world would be a better place.  But Mac's are really expensive and PC's are not.  Its just sad to see how badly people get gouged buying a mac. Just compare a pc to a mac with the same parts (and dont forget the video card) and youll see. Yeah micorsoft really sucks but i just bought a nice new quad core for $1300 and any mac around the power i got would at least be around $1800.  Its just that apple markets for cash money.  The i mac i was just on had a hard drive failure and it wasnt even 2 years old.  I looked into other sites and it seems that apple makes this happen to alot of people.  2 years and they charge almost $500 to replace a hard disk.  Ridiculous!  Im gonna do it for around $80.  OS X is a nice operating system I will admit but PC’s hold the market and their programs always have alot more too them. (Plus the fact i can finnaly play video games)   Windows is unstable shit but Vista is really nice.  But again i will admit if windows was in an os x enviroment the world would be a better place.  But Mac’s are really expensive and PC’s are not.  Its just sad to see how badly people get gouged buying a mac. Just compare a pc to a mac with the same parts (and dont forget the video card) and youll see.

]]> By: Eugene Kriegsmann http://theappleblog.com/2006/11/19/idefrag-review/#comment-119156 Eugene Kriegsmann Mon, 04 Aug 2008 15:52:57 +0000 http://theappleblog.com/2006/11/19/idefrag-review/#comment-119156 I have found over the last year that my Intel iMac has gotten slower and slower. It is the old boil the frog routine. I ran the trial version of iDefrag yesterday and was appalled at what I found. I own a Windows XP computer as well, so I know what a fragmented hard drive looks like. There wasn't major fragmentation, about 1% (160 GB drive about 80GB used). The biggest problem was that the OS and other files were spread all over the HDD. There were very few gaps of any size. I spent the $35 on the Coriolus site. I ran the program which took about 5 hours to defrag and another hour to compact the files. There was an immediate improvement in the performance. Just as an example, opening iTunes could take as much as 30 to 40 seconds prior to defrag. It opens now in under 10 seconds which includes opening contact with the Airport Express basestation. Other utilities and programs are comparably speeded up. I type a lot, so I notice when the machine lags. It has been lagging, but no more. You make your own choices, but don't belittle something without trying first. I have no problem with Apple not including a defragging utility in OSX. I don't mind paying for one. What I object to is being told it isn't necessary when it obviously is necessary. How many years did Microsoft ignore viruses and other problems with their OS and tell us that registry cleaners weren't necessary? If there is a problem that can be solved by third party software share the wealth and be honest. I have found over the last year that my Intel iMac has gotten slower and slower. It is the old boil the frog routine. I ran the trial version of iDefrag yesterday and was appalled at what I found. I own a Windows XP computer as well, so I know what a fragmented hard drive looks like. There wasn’t major fragmentation, about 1% (160 GB drive about 80GB used). The biggest problem was that the OS and other files were spread all over the HDD. There were very few gaps of any size. I spent the $35 on the Coriolus site. I ran the program which took about 5 hours to defrag and another hour to compact the files. There was an immediate improvement in the performance. Just as an example, opening iTunes could take as much as 30 to 40 seconds prior to defrag. It opens now in under 10 seconds which includes opening contact with the Airport Express basestation. Other utilities and programs are comparably speeded up. I type a lot, so I notice when the machine lags. It has been lagging, but no more.
You make your own choices, but don’t belittle something without trying first. I have no problem with Apple not including a defragging utility in OSX. I don’t mind paying for one. What I object to is being told it isn’t necessary when it obviously is necessary. How many years did Microsoft ignore viruses and other problems with their OS and tell us that registry cleaners weren’t necessary? If there is a problem that can be solved by third party software share the wealth and be honest.

]]> By: Steve http://theappleblog.com/2006/11/19/idefrag-review/#comment-113358 Steve Thu, 10 Jan 2008 05:43:50 +0000 http://theappleblog.com/2006/11/19/idefrag-review/#comment-113358 Well im a PC user trapped from being able to afford... Im on the Intel Based mac anyways... Aside from that why these issues of minor system performance dont seem like much to the average mac user. These utilities to fix the system should be free. and with windows when the defraggers going on a hd that actually gets serious traffic ran through it, the difference is highly noticeable. Comparing im trying to play videogames on my system and not your average 1997 run of the mill task. Well my point anyways since ive been rambling is that Mac's are more unstable and the timing is very consisten to teh chrashing time in all the games i play. Constant writing and deletion of lage mac volumes with high "traffic" of files every day make it run very slow. let alone trying to run a video game. The mac disk defragmenting tool helped my OS X performance a lot. But the fact that I had to pay to defrag my drive... (IN WINDOWS ITS PART OF THE SYSTEM - YES THE DISK DEFRAGMENTER IS FREE AND MUCH MORE EFFICIENT THAN idefrag) and then learn i gotta use a stupid boot disk to do the full defrag made me wanna punch the mac. But I realize now that mac's OS X is controlled by PC parts. And if you can seriously run a computer: -boot up windows on your Intel Based Mac -and if you know how to run windows -Run WINDOWS on your Mac your Mac being ran on windows will be much more stable. True Story... look it up. :From a stoner PC Facist... Sorry to anyone who got this far... and most likely I don't make sense and please don't get depressed cause I'm right. Well peace I'm running too much at once and my comps lagging.... Well im a PC user trapped from being able to afford… Im on the Intel Based mac anyways… Aside from that why these issues of minor system performance dont seem like much to the average mac user. These utilities to fix the system should be free. and with windows when the defraggers going on a hd that actually gets serious traffic ran through it, the difference is highly noticeable. Comparing im trying to play videogames on my system and not your average 1997 run of the mill task. Well my point anyways since ive been rambling is that Mac’s are more unstable and the timing is very consisten to teh chrashing time in all the games i play. Constant writing and deletion of lage mac volumes with high “traffic” of files every day make it run very slow. let alone trying to run a video game. The mac disk defragmenting tool helped my OS X performance a lot. But the fact that I had to pay to defrag my drive… (IN WINDOWS ITS PART OF THE SYSTEM - YES THE DISK DEFRAGMENTER IS FREE AND MUCH MORE EFFICIENT THAN idefrag) and then learn i gotta use a stupid boot disk to do the full defrag made me wanna punch the mac. But I realize now that mac’s OS X is controlled by PC parts. And if you can seriously run a computer:
-boot up windows on your Intel Based Mac
-and if you know how to run windows
-Run WINDOWS on your Mac
your Mac being ran on windows will be much more stable. True Story… look it up. :From a stoner PC Facist… Sorry to anyone who got this far… and most likely I don’t make sense and please don’t get depressed cause I’m right. Well peace I’m running too much at once and my comps lagging….

]]> By: Ray http://theappleblog.com/2006/11/19/idefrag-review/#comment-109051 Ray Sun, 26 Aug 2007 01:29:00 +0000 http://theappleblog.com/2006/11/19/idefrag-review/#comment-109051 (8/25/07) I just downloaded this to defrag as well as compact my files to the beginning of the hard drive. I need the room to run bootcamp and partition for XP Pro. I cannot get the boot disk to burn. I get an error stating "make sure you have enought space on the disk......." Anyone else having the same problem? (8/25/07) I just downloaded this to defrag as well as compact my files to the beginning of the hard drive. I need the room to run bootcamp and partition for XP Pro. I cannot get the boot disk to burn. I get an error stating “make sure you have enought space on the disk…….” Anyone else having the same problem?

]]> By: Do you need to defrag your Mac? » MacDisciple http://theappleblog.com/2006/11/19/idefrag-review/#comment-77968 Do you need to defrag your Mac? » MacDisciple Tue, 21 Nov 2006 11:08:53 +0000 http://theappleblog.com/2006/11/19/idefrag-review/#comment-77968 [...] If you want to defrag your drive you should check out iDefrag. The Apple blog has reviewed iDefrag: Bottom line is, if you feel that defragmenting your HFS+ formatted drive would improve performance, then iDefrag is for you. [...] [...] If you want to defrag your drive you should check out iDefrag. The Apple blog has reviewed iDefrag: Bottom line is, if you feel that defragmenting your HFS+ formatted drive would improve performance, then iDefrag is for you. [...]

]]> By: follerec http://theappleblog.com/2006/11/19/idefrag-review/#comment-77628 follerec Mon, 20 Nov 2006 02:18:51 +0000 http://theappleblog.com/2006/11/19/idefrag-review/#comment-77628 Nice review. I like the fact that it pretty much says to not use iDefrag, and that you're an idiot if you do. Nice review. I like the fact that it pretty much says to not use iDefrag, and that you’re an idiot if you do.

]]> By: Paul Stamatiou http://theappleblog.com/2006/11/19/idefrag-review/#comment-77593 Paul Stamatiou Sun, 19 Nov 2006 23:52:20 +0000 http://theappleblog.com/2006/11/19/idefrag-review/#comment-77593 I've <a href="http://paulstamatiou.com/2006/01/05/review-idefrag-for-os-x/" rel="nofollow">been using iDefrag</a> for quite a while now. Highly recommended. However, I had it choke a few times when using the UB beta a few months ago. I’ve been using iDefrag for quite a while now. Highly recommended. However, I had it choke a few times when using the UB beta a few months ago.

]]> By: Thomas http://theappleblog.com/2006/11/19/idefrag-review/#comment-77571 Thomas Sun, 19 Nov 2006 21:35:53 +0000 http://theappleblog.com/2006/11/19/idefrag-review/#comment-77571 I've used iDefrag for a while now. First of all, the licensing isn't any more rigorous than most. Secondly, of course you have to unmount a volume to defrag it... you can't be writing to the disk while you're working on it. I have noticed a significant difference in boot speed and application launch based on iDefrag's hot-zoning. I was quite surprised. This is on a Pismo with a G4/550 card and a 7200rpm drive. I’ve used iDefrag for a while now.

First of all, the licensing isn’t any more rigorous than most.

Secondly, of course you have to unmount a volume to defrag it… you can’t be writing to the disk while you’re working on it.

I have noticed a significant difference in boot speed and application launch based on iDefrag’s hot-zoning. I was quite surprised. This is on a Pismo with a G4/550 card and a 7200rpm drive.

]]> By: Josh Pigford http://theappleblog.com/2006/11/19/idefrag-review/#comment-77568 Josh Pigford Sun, 19 Nov 2006 21:15:10 +0000 http://theappleblog.com/2006/11/19/idefrag-review/#comment-77568 If you have opinions about something other than the article's topic, email us or post in the forums. This isn't the place for it. Future comments that aren't on topic will be deleted. Thanks. If you have opinions about something other than the article’s topic, email us or post in the forums. This isn’t the place for it. Future comments that aren’t on topic will be deleted. Thanks.

]]> By: Ross http://theappleblog.com/2006/11/19/idefrag-review/#comment-77557 Ross Sun, 19 Nov 2006 20:00:05 +0000 http://theappleblog.com/2006/11/19/idefrag-review/#comment-77557 Mathue: I think I'm on board with Jeffrey here. Poor grammar and incorrect spelling do nothing for the legitimacy or trustworthiness of a source. If a source cannot even get spelling correct, what else is wrong with an article? Mathue: I think I’m on board with Jeffrey here. Poor grammar and incorrect spelling do nothing for the legitimacy or trustworthiness of a source. If a source cannot even get spelling correct, what else is wrong with an article?

]]> By: Mathue http://theappleblog.com/2006/11/19/idefrag-review/#comment-77547 Mathue Sun, 19 Nov 2006 18:51:23 +0000 http://theappleblog.com/2006/11/19/idefrag-review/#comment-77547 Editing isn't something one finds on blogs typically. Ideally one should write their article up in a word processor but this is not the common way of blogging. The idea is that you get your text out there as fast as possible, thorns and all. Personally I can get the full gist of the article even though there are several errors. As for performance.. In my experience with defragging OS X it seems to make little discernible difference in performance in relation to the time used to perform it. Editing isn’t something one finds on blogs typically. Ideally one should write their article up in a word processor but this is not the common way of blogging. The idea is that you get your text out there as fast as possible, thorns and all. Personally I can get the full gist of the article even though there are several errors.

As for performance..

In my experience with defragging OS X it seems to make little discernible difference in performance in relation to the time used to perform it.

]]> By: chris http://theappleblog.com/2006/11/19/idefrag-review/#comment-77532 chris Sun, 19 Nov 2006 17:49:47 +0000 http://theappleblog.com/2006/11/19/idefrag-review/#comment-77532 err.. no offence but how about doing some tests if it really helps performance? or at least a subjective opinion i it did? one can hardly call it a review if the main point of why anybody should use the app gets untested (well data freezes on any disk tool makes it a nono anyway, but still). err.. no offence but how about doing some tests if it really helps performance? or at least a subjective opinion i it did?
one can hardly call it a review if the main point of why anybody should use the app gets untested (well data freezes on any disk tool makes it a nono anyway, but still).

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