Comments on: Metadata in OS X: Part Two http://theappleblog.com/2007/02/09/2nd-metadata-post/ TheAppleBlog, published by and for the day-to-day Apple user, is a prominent source for news, reviews, walkthroughs, and real life application of all Apple products. Wed, 03 Dec 2008 23:56:16 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: Metadata in OS X: Wrap Up | The Apple Blog http://theappleblog.com/2007/02/09/2nd-metadata-post/#comment-115464 Metadata in OS X: Wrap Up | The Apple Blog Wed, 02 Apr 2008 16:38:48 +0000 http://theappleblog.com/2007/02/09/2nd-metadata-post/#comment-115464 [...] think we’ve covered a lot of ground in the past 4 weeks, talking about Metadata in OS X. While it’s clearly a large step in a new direction, [...] [...] think we’ve covered a lot of ground in the past 4 weeks, talking about Metadata in OS X. While it’s clearly a large step in a new direction, [...]

]]> By: Paul http://theappleblog.com/2007/02/09/2nd-metadata-post/#comment-109500 Paul Thu, 06 Sep 2007 10:05:54 +0000 http://theappleblog.com/2007/02/09/2nd-metadata-post/#comment-109500 Jono, thanks. Jono, thanks.

]]> By: Jono http://theappleblog.com/2007/02/09/2nd-metadata-post/#comment-109499 Jono Thu, 06 Sep 2007 09:49:13 +0000 http://theappleblog.com/2007/02/09/2nd-metadata-post/#comment-109499 @Paul, I haven't head of any new tagging features/possibilities in Leopard that Tiger doesn't have, so you should be fine buying Tiger. @Paul,

I haven’t head of any new tagging features/possibilities in Leopard that Tiger doesn’t have, so you should be fine buying Tiger.

]]> By: Paul http://theappleblog.com/2007/02/09/2nd-metadata-post/#comment-109497 Paul Thu, 06 Sep 2007 09:26:49 +0000 http://theappleblog.com/2007/02/09/2nd-metadata-post/#comment-109497 Thanks Jono. I'm thinking of buying a Tiger installation CD off eBay - though I'm not certain how 'safe' that is. The key attraction is that I'd probably get it for 50% or less of the retail price. If tagging is the main reason I am making the investment, any reason I should buy Leopard from a retail store? Thanks Jono.

I’m thinking of buying a Tiger installation CD off eBay - though I’m not certain how ’safe’ that is. The key attraction is that I’d probably get it for 50% or less of the retail price.

If tagging is the main reason I am making the investment, any reason I should buy Leopard from a retail store?

]]> By: Jono http://theappleblog.com/2007/02/09/2nd-metadata-post/#comment-109425 Jono Wed, 05 Sep 2007 19:25:50 +0000 http://theappleblog.com/2007/02/09/2nd-metadata-post/#comment-109425 Yea, tagging would only work with Tiger or Leopard as Spotlight was introduced with Tiger (tagging uses Spotlight technology in Tiger), so wouldn't work with Panther or any version of OS X earlier than Tiger. If you're only just thinking about upgrading now you might as well wait until next month & buy Leopard. Yea, tagging would only work with Tiger or Leopard as Spotlight was introduced with Tiger (tagging uses Spotlight technology in Tiger), so wouldn’t work with Panther or any version of OS X earlier than Tiger.

If you’re only just thinking about upgrading now you might as well wait until next month & buy Leopard.

]]> By: Paul http://theappleblog.com/2007/02/09/2nd-metadata-post/#comment-109424 Paul Wed, 05 Sep 2007 16:23:44 +0000 http://theappleblog.com/2007/02/09/2nd-metadata-post/#comment-109424 Awesome series! I just discovered Quicksilver and I can't believe what I've been missing. You've opened my eyes. It sounds like I need Tiger to benefit from tagging though. Is this the case? I haven't upgraded from the original OS X my G4 came with when I bought it in 2003. Awesome series! I just discovered Quicksilver and I can’t believe what I’ve been missing. You’ve opened my eyes.

It sounds like I need Tiger to benefit from tagging though. Is this the case? I haven’t upgraded from the original OS X my G4 came with when I bought it in 2003.

]]> By: Deal on Default Folder X at The Apple Blog http://theappleblog.com/2007/02/09/2nd-metadata-post/#comment-103451 Deal on Default Folder X at The Apple Blog Wed, 28 Mar 2007 14:26:17 +0000 http://theappleblog.com/2007/02/09/2nd-metadata-post/#comment-103451 [...] maybe it’s more of a utility) that is at the top of my list. If you followed the series of Metadata posts last month you heard about it. Well if you didn’t buy it then, maybe today will suite a bit [...] [...] maybe it’s more of a utility) that is at the top of my list. If you followed the series of Metadata posts last month you heard about it. Well if you didn’t buy it then, maybe today will suite a bit [...]

]]> By: fritzBlog » iUseThis http://theappleblog.com/2007/02/09/2nd-metadata-post/#comment-102873 fritzBlog » iUseThis Mon, 12 Mar 2007 16:47:29 +0000 http://theappleblog.com/2007/02/09/2nd-metadata-post/#comment-102873 [...] Probiere BackUp-Software aus, lösche alte Dateien, verschiebe die anderen, versuche, mich ans Taggen zu gewöhnen. Dabei bin ich auf die Idee gekommen, ein paar Programme zu empfehlen. Alle [...] [...] Probiere BackUp-Software aus, lösche alte Dateien, verschiebe die anderen, versuche, mich ans Taggen zu gewöhnen. Dabei bin ich auf die Idee gekommen, ein paar Programme zu empfehlen. Alle [...]

]]> By: The Metadata Screencast: Part Three at The Apple Blog http://theappleblog.com/2007/02/09/2nd-metadata-post/#comment-102130 The Metadata Screencast: Part Three at The Apple Blog Tue, 20 Feb 2007 13:30:46 +0000 http://theappleblog.com/2007/02/09/2nd-metadata-post/#comment-102130 [...] Everything’s in perfect order post-backup/restore.) So today marks Part 3 of our Metadata Series. This is the screencast that shows the apps I’m using (Default Folder X, Quicksilver with the [...] [...] Everything’s in perfect order post-backup/restore.) So today marks Part 3 of our Metadata Series. This is the screencast that shows the apps I’m using (Default Folder X, Quicksilver with the [...]

]]> By: William http://theappleblog.com/2007/02/09/2nd-metadata-post/#comment-102067 William Sun, 18 Feb 2007 17:06:43 +0000 http://theappleblog.com/2007/02/09/2nd-metadata-post/#comment-102067 How can I obtain the functionality TagBag has with the @-sign? I have decided using the &-sign because of the better integration in spotlight, but I can't click the tag in TagBag to open smart folder. How can I obtain the functionality TagBag has with the @-sign? I have decided using the &-sign because of the better integration in spotlight, but I can’t click the tag in TagBag to open smart folder.

]]> By: Binh Trinh http://theappleblog.com/2007/02/09/2nd-metadata-post/#comment-102057 Binh Trinh Sat, 17 Feb 2007 20:33:07 +0000 http://theappleblog.com/2007/02/09/2nd-metadata-post/#comment-102057 I just upgraded my G4 ibook to a macbook this morning. All metadata were not transferred to my macbook. Must be difference in the intel OSX. I know the metadata is kept on the old system somewhere. It would suck to have to re tag all my files again. Does anyone know how to transfer the metadata? Will much appreciate... :) I just upgraded my G4 ibook to a macbook this morning. All metadata were not transferred to my macbook. Must be difference in the intel OSX. I know the metadata is kept on the old system somewhere. It would suck to have to re tag all my files again. Does anyone know how to transfer the metadata? Will much appreciate… :)

]]> By: abe lara http://theappleblog.com/2007/02/09/2nd-metadata-post/#comment-101971 abe lara Thu, 15 Feb 2007 20:55:46 +0000 http://theappleblog.com/2007/02/09/2nd-metadata-post/#comment-101971 i read your article on lifehacker recently, and i like'd your idea of saving things to the desktop as a means of knowing which files still need tagging. this whole 'metadata'/tagging stuff is new to me. but then i thought why don't you create a 'folder action' attached to the 'desktop' folder that will bring up a dialog to add spotlight comments and then move the file to documents, when ever you save a file to the desktop? just wondering what your reasoning was. i read your article on lifehacker recently, and i like’d your idea of saving things to the desktop as a means of knowing which files still need tagging.

this whole ‘metadata’/tagging stuff is new to me. but then i thought why don’t you create a ‘folder action’ attached to the ‘desktop’ folder that will bring up a dialog to add spotlight comments and then move the file to documents, when ever you save a file to the desktop?

just wondering what your reasoning was.

]]> By: Daniel H http://theappleblog.com/2007/02/09/2nd-metadata-post/#comment-101881 Daniel H Wed, 14 Feb 2007 16:50:05 +0000 http://theappleblog.com/2007/02/09/2nd-metadata-post/#comment-101881 I started using Quicksilver to tag my files but then I found something curious. I could still list the tagged files via QS (and maybe via the finder, I don't remember) but when I physically "get-info"'d the files, the comment didn't show up. Any idea as to why? Has this happened to anyone else? I started using Quicksilver to tag my files but then I found something curious. I could still list the tagged files via QS (and maybe via the finder, I don’t remember) but when I physically “get-info”‘d the files, the comment didn’t show up. Any idea as to why? Has this happened to anyone else?

]]> By: Adam Rice http://theappleblog.com/2007/02/09/2nd-metadata-post/#comment-101782 Adam Rice Mon, 12 Feb 2007 14:19:11 +0000 http://theappleblog.com/2007/02/09/2nd-metadata-post/#comment-101782 Spotmeta actually does use xattr, and does not require use of the command line. Spotmeta actually does use xattr, and does not require use of the command line.

]]> By: Dirk Baecker http://theappleblog.com/2007/02/09/2nd-metadata-post/#comment-101767 Dirk Baecker Sun, 11 Feb 2007 21:30:18 +0000 http://theappleblog.com/2007/02/09/2nd-metadata-post/#comment-101767 Hi, I'm not exactly sure to understand already what you are up to. Somehow, it feels as if you were on the road to reinvent Hyper- Card, aren't you? Or, better, a web 2.0 version of HyperCard? best regards, Dirk Hi,

I’m not exactly sure to understand already what you are up to.
Somehow, it feels as if you were on the road to reinvent Hyper-
Card, aren’t you? Or, better, a web 2.0 version of HyperCard?

best regards,
Dirk

]]> By: Rolf http://theappleblog.com/2007/02/09/2nd-metadata-post/#comment-101759 Rolf Sat, 10 Feb 2007 15:36:31 +0000 http://theappleblog.com/2007/02/09/2nd-metadata-post/#comment-101759 Hello! The problem with spotlight-comments is their fragility, they donot preserve properly when copied, so I believe SpotMeta would be an answer. BUT that project seems to have stalled, it recently went open source but I've seen no development over the last 1.5 years. I had some trouble on my system, some files didn't show up even though they had metadata/tags by SpotMeta and though I at first got a response from the developer nothing followed. What really is needed are a way to savely and reliably either link/connect or embed tags (in)to the files and a much better interface for Spotlight to "do away" with traditional filing-procedures. It is still not clear what we will get with Leopard, just an easier (masterable without programming skills) boolean search is not enough. Just my 2 cts. Greetings, Rolf Hello!
The problem with spotlight-comments is their fragility, they donot preserve properly when copied, so I believe SpotMeta would be an answer. BUT that project seems to have stalled, it recently went open source but I’ve seen no development over the last 1.5 years. I had some trouble on my system, some files didn’t show up even though they had metadata/tags by SpotMeta and though I at first got a response from the developer nothing followed.

What really is needed are a way to savely and reliably either link/connect or embed tags (in)to the files and a much better interface for Spotlight to “do away” with traditional filing-procedures. It is still not clear what we will get with Leopard, just an easier (masterable without programming skills) boolean search is not enough.

Just my 2 cts.
Greetings,
Rolf

]]> By: Naga http://theappleblog.com/2007/02/09/2nd-metadata-post/#comment-101754 Naga Sat, 10 Feb 2007 00:04:38 +0000 http://theappleblog.com/2007/02/09/2nd-metadata-post/#comment-101754 I tried used Punakea, but I found it way too buggy. Actually, I downloaded it on a whim before reading your previous article. I remembered seeing it after Punakea crashed for the third time in a row trying to tag a single file, and I read it and followed it, and I'm in love. I tried used Punakea, but I found it way too buggy. Actually, I downloaded it on a whim before reading your previous article. I remembered seeing it after Punakea crashed for the third time in a row trying to tag a single file, and I read it and followed it, and I’m in love.

]]> By: Nick Murphy http://theappleblog.com/2007/02/09/2nd-metadata-post/#comment-101749 Nick Murphy Fri, 09 Feb 2007 20:18:40 +0000 http://theappleblog.com/2007/02/09/2nd-metadata-post/#comment-101749 Leopard will hopefully add tagging to the open/save windows and the finder using OS X built-in xattr tags. At present it can only be used from the command line and is not Spotlight searchable. If those two things change then you actually could get rid of traditional folders. All a folder really is is a property of a file telling you where to find it. If I had a folder today called "Business" I could instead tag everything that belongs in that folder with the attribute "Business" and then create a smart "folder" that contains everything with the tag "Business." This would allow people to organize things similarly but allow way more flexibility because I could make another "folder" that looks for files tagged "Business" but also with a 2007 creation date and call that "folder" Business 2007. I really hope this is coming and we do away with the current folder structure. Nick Leopard will hopefully add tagging to the open/save windows and the finder using OS X built-in xattr tags. At present it can only be used from the command line and is not Spotlight searchable.

If those two things change then you actually could get rid of traditional folders. All a folder really is is a property of a file telling you where to find it.

If I had a folder today called “Business” I could instead tag everything that belongs in that folder with the attribute “Business” and then create a smart “folder” that contains everything with the tag “Business.”

This would allow people to organize things similarly but allow way more flexibility because I could make another “folder” that looks for files tagged “Business” but also with a 2007 creation date and call that “folder” Business 2007.

I really hope this is coming and we do away with the current folder structure.

Nick

]]> By: Nick Santilli http://theappleblog.com/2007/02/09/2nd-metadata-post/#comment-101748 Nick Santilli Fri, 09 Feb 2007 19:55:41 +0000 http://theappleblog.com/2007/02/09/2nd-metadata-post/#comment-101748 scralpha - I have used those apps in the past. But they sort of fall into the group I mentioned, of tools that didn't survive my workflow. Punakea was one I liked, but just wasn't for me. You may get more out of it though, especially if you're not much of a Quicksilver user. scralpha -
I have used those apps in the past. But they sort of fall into the group I mentioned, of tools that didn’t survive my workflow. Punakea was one I liked, but just wasn’t for me. You may get more out of it though, especially if you’re not much of a Quicksilver user.

]]> By: scralpha http://theappleblog.com/2007/02/09/2nd-metadata-post/#comment-101747 scralpha Fri, 09 Feb 2007 19:23:40 +0000 http://theappleblog.com/2007/02/09/2nd-metadata-post/#comment-101747 Great series, this. I had been playing around with tagging in QS and in the Finder, and trying to collect some apps that would help. TagBag seems something like what I'm looking for. The ability to tag-on-save (for free) has eluded me so far, though. Considering using a folder action for that, but that seems clunky. Also, check these on TUAW: http://www.tuaw.com/2007/02/04/to-tag-or-not-to-tag-punakea-and-spotmeta/ I haven't tried them, but was wondering if you had. Great series, this. I had been playing around with tagging in QS and in the Finder, and trying to collect some apps that would help. TagBag seems something like what I’m looking for. The ability to tag-on-save (for free) has eluded me so far, though. Considering using a folder action for that, but that seems clunky.

Also, check these on TUAW:
http://www.tuaw.com/2007/02/04/to-tag-or-not-to-tag-punakea-and-spotmeta/
I haven’t tried them, but was wondering if you had.

]]> By: Richard Neal http://theappleblog.com/2007/02/09/2nd-metadata-post/#comment-101746 Richard Neal Fri, 09 Feb 2007 18:53:34 +0000 http://theappleblog.com/2007/02/09/2nd-metadata-post/#comment-101746 A lot less painless? I don't want Quicksilver to hurt me! A lot less painless? I don’t want Quicksilver to hurt me!

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