Comments on: The Metadata Screencast: Part Three http://theappleblog.com/2007/02/19/the-metadata-screencast-part-three/ TheAppleBlog, published by and for the day-to-day Apple user, is a prominent source for news, reviews, walkthroughs, and real life application of all Apple products. Sun, 22 Nov 2009 03:16:19 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Justin C http://theappleblog.com/2007/02/19/the-metadata-screencast-part-three/#comment-34615 Justin C Sat, 14 Mar 2009 22:18:18 +0000 http://theappleblog.com/2007/02/19/the-metadata-screencast-part-three/#comment-34615 Quicksilver "show files matching" is not working for me. I have the file tagging module ticked as installed - and tagging works. I have my prefix set, and under actions five actions are ticked "show files matching", "remove tags","set tags", "set tags", and "add tags". Lastly, under Catalogue ->Modules, I have "File Tags" ticked. But I don't get that search/finder window come up that you do. Any suggestions? Oh, BTW, I'm using Leopard and QS Beta 54. What I am getting, is a smart finder window with those files edited today. Quicksilver "show files matching" is not working for me. I have the file tagging module ticked as installed – and tagging works. I have my prefix set, and under actions five actions are ticked "show files matching", "remove tags","set tags", "set tags", and "add tags". Lastly, under Catalogue ->Modules, I have "File Tags" ticked. But I don’t get that search/finder window come up that you do. Any suggestions? Oh, BTW, I’m using Leopard and QS Beta 54. What I am getting, is a smart finder window with those files edited today.

]]> By: AlbertoMichieli http://theappleblog.com/2007/02/19/the-metadata-screencast-part-three/#comment-13426 AlbertoMichieli Sun, 14 Sep 2008 16:22:44 +0000 http://theappleblog.com/2007/02/19/the-metadata-screencast-part-three/#comment-13426 We use a server where 3 people access files if I tag file for some project from my notebook, does the tags appear on the other client machine? I saw the question about mailtag, can they be searched by qs as well? what about address book contacts, can I tag these too? What happen if some file has been download to a remote computer via ftp and then uploaded back again? they will keep tags? Thank you very much We use a server where 3 people access files

if I tag file for some project from my notebook, does the tags appear on the other client machine?

I saw the question about mailtag, can they be searched by qs as well?

what about address book contacts, can I tag these too?

What happen if some file has been download to a remote computer via ftp and then uploaded back again? they will keep tags?

Thank you very much

]]> By: JGraybeal http://theappleblog.com/2007/02/19/the-metadata-screencast-part-three/#comment-13425 JGraybeal Tue, 06 May 2008 03:43:02 +0000 http://theappleblog.com/2007/02/19/the-metadata-screencast-part-three/#comment-13425 Joshua -- Those were great questions in #12. I've been thinking about them a lot, as we have moved a 1500-item site from Plone (with some tagging and smart folders) to Drupal (with tagging the primary navigation system). I too could not get over the hurdle of requiring navigation ordering. With the help of some clever implementers on my project, we've implemented folder emulation -- using tags! If each item is tagged with its path+shortName, then all the paths form a hierarchical set of tags (either break out the path components or keep them in one string, it's an implementation choice). So if I want to say "this thing should be in the same conceptual space as these other things" and I am used to having a nice hierarchical set of concept spaces (read: folders), I can still order/organize things in that way, and people can still find them in that way. It makes it obvious that folders are just another tagging system. But being able to ALSO tag them and put them into various views, using their tags, is really nice so far. (Will release new web site Real Soon Now.) It has taken a lot of time to come up with a satisfactory set of taxonomies, though. On my Mac, with over 1M files, and maybe 100K emails, I am not about to start tagging them all -- I'm happier using sorts and searches, and memory. But I'll view the movie (as soon as my system lets me), maybe I'll change my mind. Joshua — Those were great questions in #12. I’ve been thinking about them a lot, as we have moved a 1500-item site from Plone (with some tagging and smart folders) to Drupal (with tagging the primary navigation system). I too could not get over the hurdle of requiring navigation ordering.

With the help of some clever implementers on my project, we’ve implemented folder emulation — using tags! If each item is tagged with its path+shortName, then all the paths form a hierarchical set of tags (either break out the path components or keep them in one string, it’s an implementation choice).

So if I want to say “this thing should be in the same conceptual space as these other things” and I am used to having a nice hierarchical set of concept spaces (read: folders), I can still order/organize things in that way, and people can still find them in that way. It makes it obvious that folders are just another tagging system.

But being able to ALSO tag them and put them into various views, using their tags, is really nice so far. (Will release new web site Real Soon Now.) It has taken a lot of time to come up with a satisfactory set of taxonomies, though.

On my Mac, with over 1M files, and maybe 100K emails, I am not about to start tagging them all — I’m happier using sorts and searches, and memory. But I’ll view the movie (as soon as my system lets me), maybe I’ll change my mind.

]]> By: mike http://theappleblog.com/2007/02/19/the-metadata-screencast-part-three/#comment-13424 mike Thu, 07 Feb 2008 22:17:06 +0000 http://theappleblog.com/2007/02/19/the-metadata-screencast-part-three/#comment-13424 When i click on the test document and then invoke quicksilver, i dont have the same option you show in the screencast that allows me to start typing the name of a tag i would like to use. Any ideas as to what im doing wrong? When i click on the test document and then invoke quicksilver, i dont have the same option you show in the screencast that allows me to start typing the name of a tag i would like to use. Any ideas as to what im doing wrong?

]]> By: demariii http://theappleblog.com/2007/02/19/the-metadata-screencast-part-three/#comment-13423 demariii Sat, 06 Oct 2007 21:26:20 +0000 http://theappleblog.com/2007/02/19/the-metadata-screencast-part-three/#comment-13423 When I do a search with quicksilver for a file only 3-4 of 20 files show up in quicksilver. When I do the same search in spotlight all 20 documents are found. Why? Is something not set p properly? Take care! When I do a search with quicksilver for a file only 3-4 of 20 files show up in quicksilver. When I do the same search in spotlight all 20 documents are found. Why? Is something not set p properly? Take care!

]]> By: Jono http://theappleblog.com/2007/02/19/the-metadata-screencast-part-three/#comment-13422 Jono Tue, 26 Jun 2007 15:07:19 +0000 http://theappleblog.com/2007/02/19/the-metadata-screencast-part-three/#comment-13422 Sounds good. I noticed when using (the older version) that for some reason Quicksilver & TagBot saved searches wouldn't always pick up files tagged using Default Folder X. Sometimes it would add a space & I'd have to 'Get Info' on the file & remove the space it added before the tag in order for it to play nice with other tagging apps. Any word on it this has been fixed? Sounds good.

I noticed when using (the older version) that for some reason Quicksilver & TagBot saved searches wouldn’t always pick up files tagged using Default Folder X. Sometimes it would add a space & I’d have to ‘Get Info’ on the file & remove the space it added before the tag in order for it to play nice with other tagging apps.

Any word on it this has been fixed?

]]> By: Jon Gotow http://theappleblog.com/2007/02/19/the-metadata-screencast-part-three/#comment-13421 Jon Gotow Tue, 26 Jun 2007 14:08:52 +0000 http://theappleblog.com/2007/02/19/the-metadata-screencast-part-three/#comment-13421 Whoops - I mean Nick... - Jon Whoops – I mean Nick…

– Jon

]]> By: Jon Gotow http://theappleblog.com/2007/02/19/the-metadata-screencast-part-three/#comment-13420 Jon Gotow Tue, 26 Jun 2007 14:07:39 +0000 http://theappleblog.com/2007/02/19/the-metadata-screencast-part-three/#comment-13420 Hey Josh - I know it's been a long while, but I wanted to let you know that I released a new version of Default Folder X today that's got auto-completion built in for Spotlight tags. You (or one of the comments) said that'd make things go quicker, and certainly cuts down on my own mistakes when tagging my files :-) - Jon Hey Josh – I know it’s been a long while, but I wanted to let you know that I released a new version of Default Folder X today that’s got auto-completion built in for Spotlight tags. You (or one of the comments) said that’d make things go quicker, and certainly cuts down on my own mistakes when tagging my files :-)

– Jon

]]> By: Owen http://theappleblog.com/2007/02/19/the-metadata-screencast-part-three/#comment-13419 Owen Sun, 10 Jun 2007 18:43:59 +0000 http://theappleblog.com/2007/02/19/the-metadata-screencast-part-three/#comment-13419 Tagbot seems to do a good job of tagging. Tagbot seems to do a good job of tagging.

]]> By: Tod http://theappleblog.com/2007/02/19/the-metadata-screencast-part-three/#comment-13418 Tod Tue, 17 Apr 2007 05:35:25 +0000 http://theappleblog.com/2007/02/19/the-metadata-screencast-part-three/#comment-13418 Where do we obtain the neat wood-skinned hard drive icon? Where do we obtain the neat wood-skinned hard drive icon?

]]> By: Gabriel http://theappleblog.com/2007/02/19/the-metadata-screencast-part-three/#comment-13386 Gabriel Mon, 19 Mar 2007 20:07:56 +0000 http://theappleblog.com/2007/02/19/the-metadata-screencast-part-three/#comment-13386 Be careful! If tags resist a hard drive crash and reinstall from backup, as in your example, they will not resist some of the Onyx cleaning!!! Yesterday, I have had the bad idea to launck Onyx to clean the usual things, cache and all things, but was afraid to see after reboot that all my tags had disappeared! There is an option you must absolutely not choose in Onyx, it's the "initialize Spotlight index" option... it will erase all your tags! So, be careful with that! Gabriel Be careful! If tags resist a hard drive crash and reinstall from backup, as in your example, they will not resist some of the Onyx cleaning!!!
Yesterday, I have had the bad idea to launck Onyx to clean the usual things, cache and all things, but was afraid to see after reboot that all my tags had disappeared!
There is an option you must absolutely not choose in Onyx, it’s the “initialize Spotlight index” option… it will erase all your tags! So, be careful with that!
Gabriel

]]> By: Patrick http://theappleblog.com/2007/02/19/the-metadata-screencast-part-three/#comment-13387 Patrick Fri, 09 Mar 2007 18:38:36 +0000 http://theappleblog.com/2007/02/19/the-metadata-screencast-part-three/#comment-13387 Would be awesome to have a plugin for Quickbooks. Id like to access my client information like I can with address book. Id also like to pull up invoices. Anyone know how this can be done? Would be awesome to have a plugin for Quickbooks. Id like to access my client information like I can with address book. Id also like to pull up invoices. Anyone know how this can be done?

]]> By: Patrick http://theappleblog.com/2007/02/19/the-metadata-screencast-part-three/#comment-13388 Patrick Fri, 09 Mar 2007 00:04:09 +0000 http://theappleblog.com/2007/02/19/the-metadata-screencast-part-three/#comment-13388 Problem solved. Once i started to tag through qs it finds the tag and I select to show all files with this tag. All good. QS rocks. Problem solved. Once i started to tag through qs it finds the tag and I select to show all files with this tag. All good. QS rocks.

]]> By: Patrick http://theappleblog.com/2007/02/19/the-metadata-screencast-part-three/#comment-13389 Patrick Thu, 08 Mar 2007 23:24:23 +0000 http://theappleblog.com/2007/02/19/the-metadata-screencast-part-three/#comment-13389 Great info. One issue that I have is that I want to tag all my invoices by date of invoice i.e. 3/05/07 but I cant use "/" in qs. I can use it in spotlight which enables me to pull up the dated invoice or all the invoice under that date. Should I just use spotlight to bring up the invoices and not use qs? Great info. One issue that I have is that I want to tag all my invoices by date of invoice i.e. 3/05/07 but I cant use “/” in qs. I can use it in spotlight which enables me to pull up the dated invoice or all the invoice under that date. Should I just use spotlight to bring up the invoices and not use qs?

]]> By: Nick Santilli http://theappleblog.com/2007/02/19/the-metadata-screencast-part-three/#comment-13390 Nick Santilli Thu, 01 Mar 2007 06:34:44 +0000 http://theappleblog.com/2007/02/19/the-metadata-screencast-part-three/#comment-13390 I believe Josh changed the download to an embedded viewer. probably from strain on the server, but I'm not sure. I'll always release them as downloads, unless the bossman has to throttle it back for some reason or another. I believe Josh changed the download to an embedded viewer. probably from strain on the server, but I’m not sure. I’ll always release them as downloads, unless the bossman has to throttle it back for some reason or another.

]]> By: seenxu http://theappleblog.com/2007/02/19/the-metadata-screencast-part-three/#comment-13391 seenxu Thu, 01 Mar 2007 01:05:50 +0000 http://theappleblog.com/2007/02/19/the-metadata-screencast-part-three/#comment-13391 theappleblog no longer offer quicksilver serie screencast download? thx theappleblog no longer offer quicksilver serie screencast download?

thx

]]> By: Michael Newsom http://theappleblog.com/2007/02/19/the-metadata-screencast-part-three/#comment-13392 Michael Newsom Wed, 21 Feb 2007 23:09:14 +0000 http://theappleblog.com/2007/02/19/the-metadata-screencast-part-three/#comment-13392 these articles have really changed the way i use my computer. i'm very close to leaving the finder behind forever. the one comment i'd like to make is that you should turn off file vault if you plan to add tags with quicksilver. searching by tag works but you'll have to add tags one at a time in the get info box until you decrypt your home directory. file vault also seems to shut down a lot of automator actions. keep the screencasts coming! these articles have really changed the way i use my computer. i’m very close to leaving the finder behind forever.
the one comment i’d like to make is that you should turn off file vault if you plan to add tags with quicksilver. searching by tag works but you’ll have to add tags one at a time in the get info box until you decrypt your home directory.
file vault also seems to shut down a lot of automator actions.
keep the screencasts coming!

]]> By: Chris Pickett http://theappleblog.com/2007/02/19/the-metadata-screencast-part-three/#comment-13394 Chris Pickett Wed, 21 Feb 2007 21:12:12 +0000 http://theappleblog.com/2007/02/19/the-metadata-screencast-part-three/#comment-13394 I've been following this from the first screencast, it's been a great segment so far. I've got a project, called ZODAS, it has around 100 files (give or take), so I've tagged all of those as zodas, then some as zodas & module, etc. My problem is that now I get a list of 100+ files when I do a show files matching, is there anyway to specify more than one tag in qs? Or possibly get it to list the other matching tags at the top of the list of files? I’ve been following this from the first screencast, it’s been a great segment so far.

I’ve got a project, called ZODAS, it has around 100 files (give or take), so I’ve tagged all of those as zodas, then some as zodas & module, etc. My problem is that now I get a list of 100+ files when I do a show files matching, is there anyway to specify more than one tag in qs? Or possibly get it to list the other matching tags at the top of the list of files?

]]> By: Melvin Mudgett-Price http://theappleblog.com/2007/02/19/the-metadata-screencast-part-three/#comment-13393 Melvin Mudgett-Price Wed, 21 Feb 2007 16:15:26 +0000 http://theappleblog.com/2007/02/19/the-metadata-screencast-part-three/#comment-13393 I can confirm Naga's comments. Tagbag will find files tagged without the ampersand even though it lists tags with ampersands. The problem I've always had with tgbag was I can't resize the window. I need it to be wider. If any of you have tried using Punakea you'll know why. It adds a whole heap of text befor and after the tags. Has anyone looked into Spotmeta? It looks like a great app, the problem I have though is it won't play with QS. I can find the tags with spotlight but not QS. As always, great screencast, thank you. http://www.fluffy.co.uk/spotmeta/ I can confirm Naga’s comments. Tagbag will find files tagged without the ampersand even though it lists tags with ampersands. The problem I’ve always had with tgbag was I can’t resize the window. I need it to be wider. If any of you have tried using Punakea you’ll know why. It adds a whole heap of text befor and after the tags.

Has anyone looked into Spotmeta? It looks like a great app, the problem I have though is it won’t play with QS. I can find the tags with spotlight but not QS.

As always, great screencast, thank you.

http://www.fluffy.co.uk/spotmeta/

]]> By: Ben http://theappleblog.com/2007/02/19/the-metadata-screencast-part-three/#comment-13396 Ben Wed, 21 Feb 2007 11:38:52 +0000 http://theappleblog.com/2007/02/19/the-metadata-screencast-part-three/#comment-13396 Spent yesterday trying to get Quicksilver to work and gave up. Tried again to day and realised I'd been missing the "tab" key out!! D'oh! Thanks for the screencast. Now to the brave New World of tagging. :) Spent yesterday trying to get Quicksilver to work and gave up.
Tried again to day and realised I’d been missing the “tab” key out!! D’oh!

Thanks for the screencast. Now to the brave New World of tagging. :)

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