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	<title>Comments on: Metadata in OS X: Wrap Up</title>
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		<title>By: amurgrades</title>
		<link>http://theappleblog.com/2007/03/01/metadata-in-os-x-wrap-up/#comment-13749</link>
		<dc:creator>amurgrades</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2008 13:40:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clearly. Thanks!
:))</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clearly. Thanks!<br />
:))</p>
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		<title>By: Adrian Smith</title>
		<link>http://theappleblog.com/2007/03/01/metadata-in-os-x-wrap-up/#comment-13747</link>
		<dc:creator>Adrian Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 14:11:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m really keen to start using Spotlight Comments to tag my files in the finder but I&#039;m concerned by the comments above about loosing tags and by Rob Griffiths comments on the fragility of Spotlight Comments (see http://www.macworld.com/weblogs/macosxhints/2005/11/spotatsix/index.php&gt; (basically implies doing almost anything to move files around (other than using the finder) will kill the tags.
Similarly I believe that  Scott Morrison used Spotlight comments for MailTags originally but abandoned them quickly when he realised how fragile there are.

Any comments from the experts here?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m really keen to start using Spotlight Comments to tag my files in the finder but I&#8217;m concerned by the comments above about loosing tags and by Rob Griffiths comments on the fragility of Spotlight Comments (see <a href="http://www.macworld.com/weblogs/macosxhints/2005/11/spotatsix/index.php&#038;gt" rel="nofollow">http://www.macworld.com/weblogs/macosxhints/2005/11/spotatsix/index.php&#038;gt</a>; (basically implies doing almost anything to move files around (other than using the finder) will kill the tags.<br />
Similarly I believe that  Scott Morrison used Spotlight comments for MailTags originally but abandoned them quickly when he realised how fragile there are.</p>
<p>Any comments from the experts here?</p>
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		<title>By: Hazel 2 Now Available - The Apple Blog</title>
		<link>http://theappleblog.com/2007/03/01/metadata-in-os-x-wrap-up/#comment-13748</link>
		<dc:creator>Hazel 2 Now Available - The Apple Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 14:45:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] written about Hazel here, and here, and about half-way down the article, here. I highly suggest you give it a try with the 30 14 (Sorry, my mistake on the length of the free [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] written about Hazel here, and here, and about half-way down the article, here. I highly suggest you give it a try with the 30 14 (Sorry, my mistake on the length of the free [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Alain L From France.</title>
		<link>http://theappleblog.com/2007/03/01/metadata-in-os-x-wrap-up/#comment-13746</link>
		<dc:creator>Alain L From France.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 21:10:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ryan, i really like your apps, but i see there, Tags can disappear... in case of update, right ? Should&#039;nt you mention it ? I&#039;m not able to uninstall TagBot, wich make my contextual Menu break and crash the system... What did i wrong ? It&#039;s ok for French translated 1.1 version soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ryan, i really like your apps, but i see there, Tags can disappear&#8230; in case of update, right ? Should&#8217;nt you mention it ? I&#8217;m not able to uninstall TagBot, wich make my contextual Menu break and crash the system&#8230; What did i wrong ? It&#8217;s ok for French translated 1.1 version soon.</p>
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		<title>By: Screencast: Using TagBot to Tag Your Files at The Apple Blog</title>
		<link>http://theappleblog.com/2007/03/01/metadata-in-os-x-wrap-up/#comment-13744</link>
		<dc:creator>Screencast: Using TagBot to Tag Your Files at The Apple Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2007 16:55:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] written at great length about using Metadata to keep track of your files, even going so far as an alternative to folder hierarchies. But amongst [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Michael Gregory</title>
		<link>http://theappleblog.com/2007/03/01/metadata-in-os-x-wrap-up/#comment-13745</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Gregory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2007 08:54:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve discovered a Tag&#039;s not traveling problem with PathFinder.
I just purchased TagBot as well and I thought it would tandem well with PF (Tabs!)for tagging and then distributing unsorted files to folders... but PF appears to be stripping the Tags from the Spotlight Comments when the file is dragged and dropped across windows. I realized after sorting about 30 files. Testing with Finder the comments remain intact.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve discovered a Tag&#8217;s not traveling problem with PathFinder.<br />
I just purchased TagBot as well and I thought it would tandem well with PF (Tabs!)for tagging and then distributing unsorted files to folders&#8230; but PF appears to be stripping the Tags from the Spotlight Comments when the file is dragged and dropped across windows. I realized after sorting about 30 files. Testing with Finder the comments remain intact.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave M.</title>
		<link>http://theappleblog.com/2007/03/01/metadata-in-os-x-wrap-up/#comment-13740</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Apr 2007 12:51:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Derick, yes, the Spotlight comments will be copied with the file. The Spotlight comments are embedded with the file you put them in. So they will travel with the file when being copied like PDF files and JPEG EXIF data.

The problem with this tagging method is when you update an application.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Derick, yes, the Spotlight comments will be copied with the file. The Spotlight comments are embedded with the file you put them in. So they will travel with the file when being copied like PDF files and JPEG EXIF data.</p>
<p>The problem with this tagging method is when you update an application.</p>
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		<title>By: Derick</title>
		<link>http://theappleblog.com/2007/03/01/metadata-in-os-x-wrap-up/#comment-13743</link>
		<dc:creator>Derick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2007 20:56:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will Spotlight comments travel if the file is copied from one Mac to another?  I have a desktop and laptop that I keep in sync with ChronoSync but I don&#039;t want to invest a lot of time tagging if the tags won&#039;t sync along with the files.

A related question: for PDF files, would it not be better to use the PDF keyword field (accessible via Preview) as the basis for tagging PDFs since these are embedded in the file and thus guaranteed to travel with the file across machines, operating systems etc.?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will Spotlight comments travel if the file is copied from one Mac to another?  I have a desktop and laptop that I keep in sync with ChronoSync but I don&#8217;t want to invest a lot of time tagging if the tags won&#8217;t sync along with the files.</p>
<p>A related question: for PDF files, would it not be better to use the PDF keyword field (accessible via Preview) as the basis for tagging PDFs since these are embedded in the file and thus guaranteed to travel with the file across machines, operating systems etc.?</p>
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		<title>By: Dave M.</title>
		<link>http://theappleblog.com/2007/03/01/metadata-in-os-x-wrap-up/#comment-13742</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Apr 2007 17:31:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ryan,

I know why my spotlight comments were being removed/lost. I was just pointing out that using spotlight comments for tagging really doesn&#039;t work if they get lost when an application is updated.

I love the idea of tagging apps, I just wish there was a more permanent way of doing it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ryan,</p>
<p>I know why my spotlight comments were being removed/lost. I was just pointing out that using spotlight comments for tagging really doesn&#8217;t work if they get lost when an application is updated.</p>
<p>I love the idea of tagging apps, I just wish there was a more permanent way of doing it.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Perry</title>
		<link>http://theappleblog.com/2007/03/01/metadata-in-os-x-wrap-up/#comment-13741</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan Perry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Mar 2007 03:50:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Dave M,

I&#039;m not an Apple engineer, but to the best of my knowledge, the Finder associates Spotlight Comments with the actual file, and not with the location of the file.  Thus, when you move a file, its Spotlight Comments go with it.  And that&#039;s probably a good thing.  :)

When you replace an existing file with another file, you are really deleting the original file and putting the new file in the same location with the same name.  So because the Spotlight Comments are associated with the file, and not the location, and because you&#039;re deleting the original and putting another in its place, the Spotlight Comments of the original file to the same place that the original file goes: they get deleted.

That&#039;s why copying a new version of an application over an old version causes the Spotlight Comments you&#039;d associated with the old version to go away.  So yeah, that&#039;s something to watch out for.

Hope this helps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Dave M,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not an Apple engineer, but to the best of my knowledge, the Finder associates Spotlight Comments with the actual file, and not with the location of the file.  Thus, when you move a file, its Spotlight Comments go with it.  And that&#8217;s probably a good thing.  :)</p>
<p>When you replace an existing file with another file, you are really deleting the original file and putting the new file in the same location with the same name.  So because the Spotlight Comments are associated with the file, and not the location, and because you&#8217;re deleting the original and putting another in its place, the Spotlight Comments of the original file to the same place that the original file goes: they get deleted.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why copying a new version of an application over an old version causes the Spotlight Comments you&#8217;d associated with the old version to go away.  So yeah, that&#8217;s something to watch out for.</p>
<p>Hope this helps.</p>
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		<title>By: ip</title>
		<link>http://theappleblog.com/2007/03/01/metadata-in-os-x-wrap-up/#comment-13739</link>
		<dc:creator>ip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2007 23:51:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Nick,

I have written XTagFS - a macfuse filesystem that allows you to view tags (i.e. spotlight comments) and tagged files as a file-system. In XTagFS, a tag becomes a folder which contains (alias/links to) files tagged with that tag. Files tagged with multiple tags can be accessed in any order: e.g. file tagged with tag1 and tag2 can be found at path /tag1/tag2 or tag2/tag1. Tagging/Untagging files and managing tags using file-system operations (mv, rm, etc) is planned for the next release.
You can get XTagFS from here: http://code.google.com/p/xtagfs/

Please give it a shot - I would love to have some feedback/comments!

Thanks
ip</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Nick,</p>
<p>I have written XTagFS &#8211; a macfuse filesystem that allows you to view tags (i.e. spotlight comments) and tagged files as a file-system. In XTagFS, a tag becomes a folder which contains (alias/links to) files tagged with that tag. Files tagged with multiple tags can be accessed in any order: e.g. file tagged with tag1 and tag2 can be found at path /tag1/tag2 or tag2/tag1. Tagging/Untagging files and managing tags using file-system operations (mv, rm, etc) is planned for the next release.<br />
You can get XTagFS from here: <a href="http://code.google.com/p/xtagfs/" rel="nofollow">http://code.google.com/p/xtagfs/</a></p>
<p>Please give it a shot &#8211; I would love to have some feedback/comments!</p>
<p>Thanks<br />
ip</p>
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		<title>By: Dave M.</title>
		<link>http://theappleblog.com/2007/03/01/metadata-in-os-x-wrap-up/#comment-13738</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2007 20:51:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I came across a huge problem with using Spotlight Comments for tagging. I came across this when I was updating software that I had recently tagged. I lost those tags.

An Application on the Mac is really just a folder named {appname}.app right? Well, what happens when you copy a newer version of that app from a DMG file? Doesn&#039;t it replace the folder that contains the tags with the one in the DMG file that doesn&#039;t have tags?

If I were to go into the contents of the app in the DMG and copy all the files to the app on my HD, then I would expect the tags to stay since I&#039;m not touching the folder that represents the application.

Am I missing something here? I&#039;m still a bit new with Mac and OS X so its certainly possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I came across a huge problem with using Spotlight Comments for tagging. I came across this when I was updating software that I had recently tagged. I lost those tags.</p>
<p>An Application on the Mac is really just a folder named {appname}.app right? Well, what happens when you copy a newer version of that app from a DMG file? Doesn&#8217;t it replace the folder that contains the tags with the one in the DMG file that doesn&#8217;t have tags?</p>
<p>If I were to go into the contents of the app in the DMG and copy all the files to the app on my HD, then I would expect the tags to stay since I&#8217;m not touching the folder that represents the application.</p>
<p>Am I missing something here? I&#8217;m still a bit new with Mac and OS X so its certainly possible.</p>
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		<title>By: TagBot 1.01 Released at The Apple Blog</title>
		<link>http://theappleblog.com/2007/03/01/metadata-in-os-x-wrap-up/#comment-13707</link>
		<dc:creator>TagBot 1.01 Released at The Apple Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2007 14:38:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] first update. Based off of user input (I assume from the comments section of my last Metadata post, here) TagBot has gotten a couple of nice enhancements. According to one of the developers, Ryan: The new [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] first update. Based off of user input (I assume from the comments section of my last Metadata post, here) TagBot has gotten a couple of nice enhancements. According to one of the developers, Ryan: The new [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Perry</title>
		<link>http://theappleblog.com/2007/03/01/metadata-in-os-x-wrap-up/#comment-13708</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan Perry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2007 13:53:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just thought I&#039;d mention, for posterity, that we&#039;ve just released TagBot 1.01, which addresses some of the Unicode / accented character issues, as well as the hotkey collision issue.  TagBot should alert you to the update automatically within a week or so, or you can download the new installer from http://www.bigrobotsoftware.com.

Thanks for everyone&#039;s input!  For further questions or support, please email us at support_bot-at-bigrobotsoftware-dot-com.

And thanks to Nick for mentioning TagBot!  He&#039;s been a great source of interest and feedback.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just thought I&#8217;d mention, for posterity, that we&#8217;ve just released TagBot 1.01, which addresses some of the Unicode / accented character issues, as well as the hotkey collision issue.  TagBot should alert you to the update automatically within a week or so, or you can download the new installer from <a href="http://www.bigrobotsoftware.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.bigrobotsoftware.com</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks for everyone&#8217;s input!  For further questions or support, please email us at support_bot-at-bigrobotsoftware-dot-com.</p>
<p>And thanks to Nick for mentioning TagBot!  He&#8217;s been a great source of interest and feedback.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Perry</title>
		<link>http://theappleblog.com/2007/03/01/metadata-in-os-x-wrap-up/#comment-13709</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan Perry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2007 12:55:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Old Shatterhand:

The accent mark issue was recently brought to our attention, and we&#039;ve been working on fixing it for an upcoming release of TagBot.

In the meantime, you should be able to delete the accented tag from any files you&#039;ve applied it to by right-clicking on the file in the Finder, selecting Get Info, and deleting the tag text from the Spotlight Comments field in the Get Info window.

Sorry for the inconvenience; we&#039;ll have a free upgrade with a fix for this issue released pretty soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Old Shatterhand:</p>
<p>The accent mark issue was recently brought to our attention, and we&#8217;ve been working on fixing it for an upcoming release of TagBot.</p>
<p>In the meantime, you should be able to delete the accented tag from any files you&#8217;ve applied it to by right-clicking on the file in the Finder, selecting Get Info, and deleting the tag text from the Spotlight Comments field in the Get Info window.</p>
<p>Sorry for the inconvenience; we&#8217;ll have a free upgrade with a fix for this issue released pretty soon.</p>
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		<title>By: Old Shatterhand</title>
		<link>http://theappleblog.com/2007/03/01/metadata-in-os-x-wrap-up/#comment-13729</link>
		<dc:creator>Old Shatterhand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Mar 2007 20:37:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neither Quicksilver, nor Tagbot, nor Spotlight properly handles accentmarks, we Europeans are so used to. The apps don&#039;t distinguish between e.g. e and é (e with &#039;accent aigu&#039;).

I can&#039;t remove them with QS nor Tagbot. Now I am stuck with a few tags that have accentmarks in them. No problem to add another tag without it, but I would like to find an easy way to delete the accented ones.

My advise for the moment: avoid accentmarks in your tags!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neither Quicksilver, nor Tagbot, nor Spotlight properly handles accentmarks, we Europeans are so used to. The apps don&#8217;t distinguish between e.g. e and é (e with &#8216;accent aigu&#8217;).</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t remove them with QS nor Tagbot. Now I am stuck with a few tags that have accentmarks in them. No problem to add another tag without it, but I would like to find an easy way to delete the accented ones.</p>
<p>My advise for the moment: avoid accentmarks in your tags!</p>
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		<title>By: TagBot, one step closer on The uber geeks</title>
		<link>http://theappleblog.com/2007/03/01/metadata-in-os-x-wrap-up/#comment-13710</link>
		<dc:creator>TagBot, one step closer on The uber geeks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2007 05:51:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I saw this application via The Apple Blog on their wrap up for Metadata in OS X. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I saw this application via The Apple Blog on their wrap up for Metadata in OS X. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: TagBot, poniendo tags a los archivos</title>
		<link>http://theappleblog.com/2007/03/01/metadata-in-os-x-wrap-up/#comment-13711</link>
		<dc:creator>TagBot, poniendo tags a los archivos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 16:00:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &#124; Apple Blog Sitio Oficial &#124; [...]</description>
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		<title>By: NotVeryPC</title>
		<link>http://theappleblog.com/2007/03/01/metadata-in-os-x-wrap-up/#comment-13712</link>
		<dc:creator>NotVeryPC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2007 09:29:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brandon

You need to copy the script into &quot;Script Editor&quot; and save it as &quot;GetTags.scpt&quot;

In GeekTool create a new entry with the command:
osascript /Users/username/path/to/script/GetTags.scpt

Hope this helps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brandon</p>
<p>You need to copy the script into &#8220;Script Editor&#8221; and save it as &#8220;GetTags.scpt&#8221;</p>
<p>In GeekTool create a new entry with the command:<br />
osascript /Users/username/path/to/script/GetTags.scpt</p>
<p>Hope this helps.</p>
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		<title>By: Brandon Payne</title>
		<link>http://theappleblog.com/2007/03/01/metadata-in-os-x-wrap-up/#comment-13727</link>
		<dc:creator>Brandon Payne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Mar 2007 00:07:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When the geektool instructions say just call the script from geektool, how do I do that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When the geektool instructions say just call the script from geektool, how do I do that?</p>
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