Comments on: The problem with Greenpeace http://theappleblog.com/2007/05/03/the-problem-with-greenpeace/ The Apple Blog, published by and for the day-to-day Apple user, is a prominent source for news, reviews, walkthroughs, and real life application of all Apple products. Sun, 07 Sep 2008 06:51:37 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: NAdia http://theappleblog.com/2007/05/03/the-problem-with-greenpeace/#comment-117202 NAdia Tue, 03 Jun 2008 14:43:20 +0000 http://theappleblog.com/2007/05/03/the-problem-with-greenpeace/#comment-117202 i love men i love men

]]> By: Kendall Tawes http://theappleblog.com/2007/05/03/the-problem-with-greenpeace/#comment-105532 Kendall Tawes Tue, 15 May 2007 19:06:44 +0000 http://theappleblog.com/2007/05/03/the-problem-with-greenpeace/#comment-105532 This is just sad. In the old days Greenpeace went out to stop whaling ships. Now all the do is make up arbitrary rules. The Greenpeace that took action and tried to make a difference is long dead and it's carcass is just mucking up the place. If something's wrong fix it or just shut up. Until they take action in any reasonable manner I will not listen to them one bit. This is just sad. In the old days Greenpeace went out to stop whaling ships. Now all the do is make up arbitrary rules. The Greenpeace that took action and tried to make a difference is long dead and it’s carcass is just mucking up the place. If something’s wrong fix it or just shut up. Until they take action in any reasonable manner I will not listen to them one bit.

]]> By: michel http://theappleblog.com/2007/05/03/the-problem-with-greenpeace/#comment-105192 michel Sat, 05 May 2007 15:18:57 +0000 http://theappleblog.com/2007/05/03/the-problem-with-greenpeace/#comment-105192 politic is GOOD it 's the process to debate and decide what is better and it's what we need to protect earth : GOOD POLITICS to decide and SHAPE earth in a BETTER place for everything living if greenpeace use politics and manipulations to force everyone to go better I say : FINE. ho if I should do the same job than greenpeace I would target apple too. why? because it's a tool, a target of medias. what apple says, the industry and medias listen. they know what they're doing. It's working ! politic is GOOD

it ’s the process to debate and decide what is better

and it’s what we need to protect earth : GOOD POLITICS to decide and SHAPE earth in a BETTER place for everything living

if greenpeace use politics and manipulations to force everyone to go better I say : FINE.

ho if I should do the same job than greenpeace I would target apple too. why? because it’s a tool, a target of medias. what apple says, the industry and medias listen.

they know what they’re doing. It’s working !

]]> By: TTim http://theappleblog.com/2007/05/03/the-problem-with-greenpeace/#comment-105183 TTim Sat, 05 May 2007 00:01:35 +0000 http://theappleblog.com/2007/05/03/the-problem-with-greenpeace/#comment-105183 Apple get publicity far beyond their marketshare for their products. They relish in this positive and generally free publicity. They have to expect that conversely, they will be a target for negative publicity as well. If apple need to made an example of for bad practices in the tech hardware industry then so be it. Its already secured committments from other companies and a response from apple (stating what they are already doing rather)so is a tacitc that is justified and working. the only possible result is that it will force apple to change their practices so little kids in SE Asia don't have to be exposed to toxic chemicals while disassembling computers in garbage dumps. And that will be a good thing. Apple get publicity far beyond their marketshare for their products. They relish in this positive and generally free publicity. They have to expect that conversely, they will be a target for negative publicity as well.

If apple need to made an example of for bad practices in the tech hardware industry then so be it. Its already secured committments from other companies and a response from apple (stating what they are already doing rather)so is a tacitc that is justified and working.

the only possible result is that it will force apple to change their practices so little kids in SE Asia don’t have to be exposed to toxic chemicals while disassembling computers in garbage dumps. And that will be a good thing.

]]> By: Steve http://theappleblog.com/2007/05/03/the-problem-with-greenpeace/#comment-105181 Steve Fri, 04 May 2007 22:53:10 +0000 http://theappleblog.com/2007/05/03/the-problem-with-greenpeace/#comment-105181 mark raises some very good points mark raises some very good points

]]> By: Todd Baur http://theappleblog.com/2007/05/03/the-problem-with-greenpeace/#comment-105179 Todd Baur Fri, 04 May 2007 20:42:33 +0000 http://theappleblog.com/2007/05/03/the-problem-with-greenpeace/#comment-105179 I don't have a problem with them addressing environmental issues, and in fact I support their efforts. I do have a problem when one group unfairly targets a company to make an example out of them when said company's peers are behind the curve on the issues presented. I have a second problem when the group uses measurements that aren't scientifically based to further their causes. This isn't fanboy malarky, it is calling Greenpeace on their touchy-feely scorecard policy and asking them to base it on performance and not promise. Using Apple as an example for the rest of the computer building business is a direct result of Apple's policy on speculation and rumor. Greenpeace feels Apples lack of responding to inquiries demonstrates a lack of resolve, when in fact Apple prefers to say "Look what we've done" over "Look what we MIGHT do". So no wonder Apple has more respect in the sector. I feel Greenpeace had very little to do with Apple's progress in environmental responsibility. Look at the demographics of Apple customers and you'll find a large population of environmentally concerned citizens. Greenpeace simply exploited this to their advantage. Regardless of all of this, we still get a cleaner earth and that's fantastic news. I just don't feel they need to smear companies with an artifically produced scorecard to do it. I don’t have a problem with them addressing environmental issues, and in fact I support their efforts. I do have a problem when one group unfairly targets a company to make an example out of them when said company’s peers are behind the curve on the issues presented. I have a second problem when the group uses measurements that aren’t scientifically based to further their causes. This isn’t fanboy malarky, it is calling Greenpeace on their touchy-feely scorecard policy and asking them to base it on performance and not promise. Using Apple as an example for the rest of the computer building business is a direct result of Apple’s policy on speculation and rumor. Greenpeace feels Apples lack of responding to inquiries demonstrates a lack of resolve, when in fact Apple prefers to say “Look what we’ve done” over “Look what we MIGHT do”. So no wonder Apple has more respect in the sector. I feel Greenpeace had very little to do with Apple’s progress in environmental responsibility. Look at the demographics of Apple customers and you’ll find a large population of environmentally concerned citizens. Greenpeace simply exploited this to their advantage. Regardless of all of this, we still get a cleaner earth and that’s fantastic news. I just don’t feel they need to smear companies with an artifically produced scorecard to do it.

]]> By: ketan http://theappleblog.com/2007/05/03/the-problem-with-greenpeace/#comment-105169 ketan Fri, 04 May 2007 17:08:11 +0000 http://theappleblog.com/2007/05/03/the-problem-with-greenpeace/#comment-105169 stop thinking of greenpeace as environmental terrorists. and if you believe that and hate them for some reason, then walk away with their environmental ideals. this is a important debate, and they are absolutely right for addressing it. stop thinking of greenpeace as environmental terrorists. and if you believe that and hate them for some reason, then walk away with their environmental ideals. this is a important debate, and they are absolutely right for addressing it.

]]> By: Matt http://theappleblog.com/2007/05/03/the-problem-with-greenpeace/#comment-105165 Matt Fri, 04 May 2007 15:21:05 +0000 http://theappleblog.com/2007/05/03/the-problem-with-greenpeace/#comment-105165 Yeah Tim - i have to agree with you. Though i am happy that Apple decide to change things... now - let's see some action steve! Hopefully Apple can be the leader in this field as well - because we have to overthink some things. At least Greenpeace i trying to change something - maybe in unusual way - but he - they did it with success... Yeah Tim - i have to agree with you.

Though i am happy that Apple decide to change things… now - let’s see some action steve! Hopefully Apple can be the leader in this field as well - because we have to overthink some things.

At least Greenpeace i trying to change something - maybe in unusual way - but he - they did it with success…

]]> By: Mark 2000 http://theappleblog.com/2007/05/03/the-problem-with-greenpeace/#comment-105164 Mark 2000 Fri, 04 May 2007 15:10:24 +0000 http://theappleblog.com/2007/05/03/the-problem-with-greenpeace/#comment-105164 Yeah, Tim. I didn't want to cite fanboyism, but it reeks in here. I mean not matter what Apple's doing now their still putting chips in their systems that are bathed in chemicals so toxic people have to wear hazmat suits in the factories (those intel guys where those suits to protect themselves, not the chips as some assume). But lets not attack the biggest uber company that ships its disposable music players that have to be tossed out when the battery dies straight from slave production center in China. Lets go after the people who have the balls to get in boats and form blockades against illegal lumber and whaling. Screw you, Greenpeace! And before you say "Everyone else does the same" remember two wrongs (or seven) don't make a right. Yeah, Tim. I didn’t want to cite fanboyism, but it reeks in here. I mean not matter what Apple’s doing now their still putting chips in their systems that are bathed in chemicals so toxic people have to wear hazmat suits in the factories (those intel guys where those suits to protect themselves, not the chips as some assume).

But lets not attack the biggest uber company that ships its disposable music players that have to be tossed out when the battery dies straight from slave production center in China. Lets go after the people who have the balls to get in boats and form blockades against illegal lumber and whaling. Screw you, Greenpeace!

And before you say “Everyone else does the same” remember two wrongs (or seven) don’t make a right.

]]> By: Tim http://theappleblog.com/2007/05/03/the-problem-with-greenpeace/#comment-105160 Tim Fri, 04 May 2007 04:41:00 +0000 http://theappleblog.com/2007/05/03/the-problem-with-greenpeace/#comment-105160 Completely agree with Mark. The simple fact is that despite what Apple are doing, its still not enough and pressure from Greenpeace is needed. And they have applied pressure on each and every company. companies such as lenovo are doing alot on recycling old computer hardware, apple is not. Stop trying to bash greenpeace merely because your being a fanboy. The last article on this topic suggested that apple should get let off because they have small market share. That argument is intellectually (and morally) bankrupt. Completely agree with Mark. The simple fact is that despite what Apple are doing, its still not enough and pressure from Greenpeace is needed. And they have applied pressure on each and every company. companies such as lenovo are doing alot on recycling old computer hardware, apple is not.

Stop trying to bash greenpeace merely because your being a fanboy. The last article on this topic suggested that apple should get let off because they have small market share. That argument is intellectually (and morally) bankrupt.

]]> By: Steve http://theappleblog.com/2007/05/03/the-problem-with-greenpeace/#comment-105158 Steve Fri, 04 May 2007 02:20:47 +0000 http://theappleblog.com/2007/05/03/the-problem-with-greenpeace/#comment-105158 I don't know if apple is ahead of everyone, I believe HP is the leader in environmental standards, but they are ahead of most, i mean companies like IBM should be the ones getting the heat from Greenpeace. I don’t know if apple is ahead of everyone, I believe HP is the leader in environmental standards, but they are ahead of most, i mean companies like IBM should be the ones getting the heat from Greenpeace.

]]> By: Tim http://theappleblog.com/2007/05/03/the-problem-with-greenpeace/#comment-105157 Tim Fri, 04 May 2007 01:56:29 +0000 http://theappleblog.com/2007/05/03/the-problem-with-greenpeace/#comment-105157 I mean, just look at the picture you are using from Greenpeace, out of all these heap of thrown-away plastic PC keyboards, the only Apple keyboard (and it's pink too!) is held by the girl in the front. This is all about visibility. I mean, just look at the picture you are using from Greenpeace, out of all these heap of thrown-away plastic PC keyboards, the only Apple keyboard (and it’s pink too!) is held by the girl in the front. This is all about visibility.

]]> By: Ricki http://theappleblog.com/2007/05/03/the-problem-with-greenpeace/#comment-105154 Ricki Fri, 04 May 2007 01:11:13 +0000 http://theappleblog.com/2007/05/03/the-problem-with-greenpeace/#comment-105154 quote "Which is why Apple got into the spat they did with them, because the company prefers to promote things they accomplish over things they promise" *cough* iPhone *cough* ;) ..sorry. The greenpeace vendetta can't be all what it seems, there must be both money and a hidden agenda behind it all ... or maybe they are just out to make asses of them selfs again. quote “Which is why Apple got into the spat they did with them, because the company prefers to promote things they accomplish over things they promise”

*cough* iPhone *cough* ;) ..sorry.

The greenpeace vendetta can’t be all what it seems, there must be both money and a hidden agenda behind it all … or maybe they are just out to make asses of them selfs again.

]]> By: Paul Allen http://theappleblog.com/2007/05/03/the-problem-with-greenpeace/#comment-105151 Paul Allen Thu, 03 May 2007 23:02:03 +0000 http://theappleblog.com/2007/05/03/the-problem-with-greenpeace/#comment-105151 I'm dissapointed in Microsofts large donations to Greenpeace with the stipulation that they focus their attack on Apple. Apple has always been ahead of us and Dell. I'm concerned that Apple will surpass us in market cap within 3 years. I’m dissapointed in Microsofts large donations to Greenpeace with the stipulation that they focus their attack on Apple.

Apple has always been ahead of us and Dell.

I’m concerned that Apple will surpass us in market cap within 3 years.

]]> By: Xander http://theappleblog.com/2007/05/03/the-problem-with-greenpeace/#comment-105149 Xander Thu, 03 May 2007 22:01:23 +0000 http://theappleblog.com/2007/05/03/the-problem-with-greenpeace/#comment-105149 Years and years ago, Apple has been working on reducing harmful chemicals in the production of their equipment, as stated in Jobs' article. Then Greenpeace, ignoring this, starts the vicious and unjustified "campaign" (read: attack) on Apple seen here: http://members.greenpeace.org/sites/greenmyapple/about.php Greenpeace site: "Right now, poison Apples full of chemicals (like toxic flame retardants, and polyvinyl chloride) are being sold worldwide. When they're tossed, they usually end up at the fingertips of children in China, India and other developing-world countries. They dismantle them for parts, and are exposed to a dangerous toxic cocktail that threatens their health and the environment." Compare with... Jobs article: "A note of comparison — In 2007 HP stated that they will remove PVC from all their packaging. Apple did this 12 years ago. Last year, Dell began the process of phasing out large quantities of brominated flame retardants in large plastic enclosure parts. Apple's plastic enclosure parts have been bromine-free since 2002." "All the e-waste we collect in North America is processed in the U.S., and nothing is shipped overseas for disposal." Jobs releases his article on how Apple is doing (and has been doing) so much more than the majority of IT companies. Greenpeace writes it off as a victory due to their campain: http://www.greenpeace.org/usa/news/tastygreenapple "You did it! Thousands of you wrote, called, and sent cards to Steve Jobs, asking him to green your Apples. Because of you, he listened, and just announced a greener Apple." Years and years ago, Apple has been working on reducing harmful chemicals in the production of their equipment, as stated in Jobs’ article.

Then Greenpeace, ignoring this, starts the vicious and unjustified “campaign” (read: attack) on Apple seen here:
http://members.greenpeace.org/sites/greenmyapple/about.php

Greenpeace site:
“Right now, poison Apples full of chemicals (like toxic flame retardants, and polyvinyl chloride) are being sold worldwide. When they’re tossed, they usually end up at the fingertips of children in China, India and other developing-world countries. They dismantle them for parts, and are exposed to a dangerous toxic cocktail that threatens their health and the environment.”

Compare with…
Jobs article:
“A note of comparison — In 2007 HP stated that they will remove PVC
from all their packaging. Apple did this 12 years ago. Last year, Dell
began the process of phasing out large quantities of brominated flame
retardants in large plastic enclosure parts. Apple’s plastic enclosure
parts have been bromine-free since 2002.”
“All the e-waste we collect in North America is processed in the U.S.,
and nothing is shipped overseas for disposal.”

Jobs releases his article on how Apple is doing (and has been doing) so much more than the majority of IT companies. Greenpeace writes it off as a victory due to their campain:
http://www.greenpeace.org/usa/news/tastygreenapple
“You did it! Thousands of you wrote, called, and sent cards to Steve Jobs, asking him to green your Apples. Because of you, he listened, and just announced a greener Apple.”

]]> By: GTG http://theappleblog.com/2007/05/03/the-problem-with-greenpeace/#comment-105145 GTG Thu, 03 May 2007 19:00:24 +0000 http://theappleblog.com/2007/05/03/the-problem-with-greenpeace/#comment-105145 Apple surely had already made the decision to move to LED screens before the pressue from Greenpeace. Jobs went ahead and announced it to get them off his back. So, essentially, Greenpeace has gone and spoiled our surprise party. Thanks Greenpeace. Apple surely had already made the decision to move to LED screens before the pressue from Greenpeace. Jobs went ahead and announced it to get them off his back.

So, essentially, Greenpeace has gone and spoiled our surprise party. Thanks Greenpeace.

]]> By: MacRat http://theappleblog.com/2007/05/03/the-problem-with-greenpeace/#comment-105141 MacRat Thu, 03 May 2007 18:15:18 +0000 http://theappleblog.com/2007/05/03/the-problem-with-greenpeace/#comment-105141 Greenpeace Drone 1: We are getting less donations now. What can we do to boost our visibility? Greenpeace Drone 2: Lets attack Apple! Greenpeace Drone 1: We are getting less donations now. What can we do to boost our visibility?

Greenpeace Drone 2: Lets attack Apple!

]]> By: Suresh http://theappleblog.com/2007/05/03/the-problem-with-greenpeace/#comment-105140 Suresh Thu, 03 May 2007 18:10:23 +0000 http://theappleblog.com/2007/05/03/the-problem-with-greenpeace/#comment-105140 acutally, the whole industry is moving to LED as its become economical. Lower batter requirements, more brighter screens. Apple's decisions to use LED displays has NOTHING to do with Greenepeace. acutally, the whole industry is moving to LED as its become economical.

Lower batter requirements, more brighter screens.

Apple’s decisions to use LED displays has NOTHING to do with Greenepeace.

]]> By: Mark 2000 http://theappleblog.com/2007/05/03/the-problem-with-greenpeace/#comment-105135 Mark 2000 Thu, 03 May 2007 17:41:04 +0000 http://theappleblog.com/2007/05/03/the-problem-with-greenpeace/#comment-105135 Think targeting apple - who is the innovator by which all follow - is the best strategy. Just because one company is as bad or a little less bad (how many CRTs did Dell actually sell in the past two years?) doesn't mean either one is absolved. Two wrongs don't make a right. I like pressure on Apple. It gets us a better product and trickles down to everyone getting a better product. Would we be getting LED screens so soon if GP hadn't hardlined on Apple? Want to bet the rest of the industry adopts LED soon after. Think targeting apple - who is the innovator by which all follow - is the best strategy. Just because one company is as bad or a little less bad (how many CRTs did Dell actually sell in the past two years?) doesn’t mean either one is absolved. Two wrongs don’t make a right. I like pressure on Apple. It gets us a better product and trickles down to everyone getting a better product. Would we be getting LED screens so soon if GP hadn’t hardlined on Apple? Want to bet the rest of the industry adopts LED soon after.

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