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	<title>Comments on: iTunes Soon To Be Missing a Feature</title>
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		<title>By: iTunes to lose Radio Feature?! &#171; Thunk Different.</title>
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		<dc:creator>iTunes to lose Radio Feature?! &#171; Thunk Different.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2007 17:05:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to lose Radio&#160;Feature?!  i recently came across the news at the apple blog that iTunes is likely to lose their radio stations. This would be devastating to many offices, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] to lose Radio&nbsp;Feature?!  i recently came across the news at the apple blog that iTunes is likely to lose their radio stations. This would be devastating to many offices, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: ThunkDifferent.com</title>
		<link>http://theappleblog.com/2007/05/17/itunes-soon-to-be-missing-a-feature/#comment-105718</link>
		<dc:creator>ThunkDifferent.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2007 16:53:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This has got to be repealed.

i read recently at http://www.savenetradio.org/ that this is hitting the Senate floor. Please vote for web radio rights now.

Sign-up and spread the word. 

http://ThinkDifferent.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This has got to be repealed.</p>
<p>i read recently at <a href="http://www.savenetradio.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.savenetradio.org/</a> that this is hitting the Senate floor. Please vote for web radio rights now.</p>
<p>Sign-up and spread the word. </p>
<p><a href="http://ThinkDifferent.com" rel="nofollow">http://ThinkDifferent.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://theappleblog.com/2007/05/17/itunes-soon-to-be-missing-a-feature/#comment-105702</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2007 02:34:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;"If you use StreamRipperX you can download the content right from the stream at a high bitrate (if its offered) and with a lot of new stations they are including track headings so your ID3 tags are right in there for you when you import them into iTunes!"&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;Thanks Richard, for giving SoundExchange another excuse for charging internet radio broadcasters these exorbitant rates.

But hey, you're getting your "free" music today, so what does it matter?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><i>&#8220;If you use StreamRipperX you can download the content right from the stream at a high bitrate (if its offered) and with a lot of new stations they are including track headings so your ID3 tags are right in there for you when you import them into iTunes!&#8221;</i></p></blockquote>
<p>Thanks Richard, for giving SoundExchange another excuse for charging internet radio broadcasters these exorbitant rates.</p>
<p>But hey, you&#8217;re getting your &#8220;free&#8221; music today, so what does it matter?</p>
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		<title>By: Loran</title>
		<link>http://theappleblog.com/2007/05/17/itunes-soon-to-be-missing-a-feature/#comment-105687</link>
		<dc:creator>Loran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 May 2007 22:01:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Patrick, I understand your point about the "willing seller" being able to set any rates they think is fair.  However, did you consider that if all "willing buyers" are shutdown by confiscatory rates set by an unelected Copyright Royalty Board just how much the current 0.0011 cents per listener/per play is going to earn the starving artists?  Let me do the math for you:  Zero X 0.0011 = Zero  (get the point)

The webcasters are NOT the bad guys and neither are the listeners.  Most independent artists, and there are tens of thousdans who will never get a contract from one of the four major recording companies that control the music industry are not the bad guys, because they realize that most AM/FM stations won't play any "unsigned or independent artists" ... Why?  Because the RIAA will cut them off from receiving those promotional funds (used to be called payola).  And they need those dollars to be able to compete for listeners which ultimately affects their arbitron numbers and that directly impacts their advertising revenues.  Because, remember, it's really all about the money.

The tens of thousands of small webcasters are nothing more than people sharing their favorite artists in niche genres that you probably will never hear played on any "over the air" radio station, and they're NOT in it for money, because very few of them can find advertisers.  And, if you're hearing audio ads on your favorite webcast, those are usually inserted into their stream by their network (like Live365) which keeps every penny paid by those advertisers.  Live365 stations listed on Apple iTUNES must pay all of the royalties owed to SoundExchange, Live365 pays nothing.  

So, when the Live365 stations which previously paid $2,000 per year under the Small Webcasters Settlement Act of 2002, are now facing royalty bills of more than $2,000 per month retroactive to January 1, 2006, and over the next three years they will see those royalty rates increase two and one-half times over the 2005 rates per listener/per song. Yeah, most all of those stations will shutdown on July 15,2007.

Using PlanetMike's illustration of 400 listeners only listening 8 hours let's see what that would cost each webcaster (and right now would be a good time to remind you that NO "over the air"  broadcasterpays anything). And, so as you look at the annual royalty amount, you tell me if there is anyway that any personal broadcaster can afford to pay $15,418 for what he broadcast in 2006, and another $21,199 in 2007, and yet, another $26,980 in 2008, and yet, even another $34,690 in 2009, and fianlly another 36,617 in 2010.  

That's a total of $134,904 for all five years.  Now, please bear in mind most stations have listeners more than just the 8 work hours five days a week, and remember this doesn't include one thin dime for broadband streaming costs, music acquistion, a local cable or dsl connection, the computer cost, etc.  How many webcasters do you think will still be paying royalties in 2010?  My guess, very few.  

Do you care?  Do those "unsigned" artists care that they no longer will be able to find any outlet where there music will be heard?  Do the four multi-billion dollar recording companies care?  The Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) which is made up of the largest recording companies and their "signed" artists intends to shutdown any independeent webcasters and ultimately the indeependent artists that they playing.  Why? Just a business decition to eliminate the Competition.  It's all about the money and absolute control of the industry, supported by huge poltical contributions to write the copyright laws to carry out their plan.  Your comments will aid and abed the RIAA's fight.  

Your sense of fairness ought to take into account the unintended consequesnces.  But, like John Simson (the SoundExchange CEO) who argues that if these rates will cost three times more than the most successful webcasters can earn, "just run three times the number of advertisements."  Does he think that it's that simple, of course he does, his name is Simpleton, I mean Simson.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patrick, I understand your point about the &#8220;willing seller&#8221; being able to set any rates they think is fair.  However, did you consider that if all &#8220;willing buyers&#8221; are shutdown by confiscatory rates set by an unelected Copyright Royalty Board just how much the current 0.0011 cents per listener/per play is going to earn the starving artists?  Let me do the math for you:  Zero X 0.0011 = Zero  (get the point)</p>
<p>The webcasters are NOT the bad guys and neither are the listeners.  Most independent artists, and there are tens of thousdans who will never get a contract from one of the four major recording companies that control the music industry are not the bad guys, because they realize that most AM/FM stations won&#8217;t play any &#8220;unsigned or independent artists&#8221; &#8230; Why?  Because the RIAA will cut them off from receiving those promotional funds (used to be called payola).  And they need those dollars to be able to compete for listeners which ultimately affects their arbitron numbers and that directly impacts their advertising revenues.  Because, remember, it&#8217;s really all about the money.</p>
<p>The tens of thousands of small webcasters are nothing more than people sharing their favorite artists in niche genres that you probably will never hear played on any &#8220;over the air&#8221; radio station, and they&#8217;re NOT in it for money, because very few of them can find advertisers.  And, if you&#8217;re hearing audio ads on your favorite webcast, those are usually inserted into their stream by their network (like Live365) which keeps every penny paid by those advertisers.  Live365 stations listed on Apple iTUNES must pay all of the royalties owed to SoundExchange, Live365 pays nothing.  </p>
<p>So, when the Live365 stations which previously paid $2,000 per year under the Small Webcasters Settlement Act of 2002, are now facing royalty bills of more than $2,000 per month retroactive to January 1, 2006, and over the next three years they will see those royalty rates increase two and one-half times over the 2005 rates per listener/per song. Yeah, most all of those stations will shutdown on July 15,2007.</p>
<p>Using PlanetMike&#8217;s illustration of 400 listeners only listening 8 hours let&#8217;s see what that would cost each webcaster (and right now would be a good time to remind you that NO &#8220;over the air&#8221;  broadcasterpays anything). And, so as you look at the annual royalty amount, you tell me if there is anyway that any personal broadcaster can afford to pay $15,418 for what he broadcast in 2006, and another $21,199 in 2007, and yet, another $26,980 in 2008, and yet, even another $34,690 in 2009, and fianlly another 36,617 in 2010.  </p>
<p>That&#8217;s a total of $134,904 for all five years.  Now, please bear in mind most stations have listeners more than just the 8 work hours five days a week, and remember this doesn&#8217;t include one thin dime for broadband streaming costs, music acquistion, a local cable or dsl connection, the computer cost, etc.  How many webcasters do you think will still be paying royalties in 2010?  My guess, very few.  </p>
<p>Do you care?  Do those &#8220;unsigned&#8221; artists care that they no longer will be able to find any outlet where there music will be heard?  Do the four multi-billion dollar recording companies care?  The Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) which is made up of the largest recording companies and their &#8220;signed&#8221; artists intends to shutdown any independeent webcasters and ultimately the indeependent artists that they playing.  Why? Just a business decition to eliminate the Competition.  It&#8217;s all about the money and absolute control of the industry, supported by huge poltical contributions to write the copyright laws to carry out their plan.  Your comments will aid and abed the RIAA&#8217;s fight.  </p>
<p>Your sense of fairness ought to take into account the unintended consequesnces.  But, like John Simson (the SoundExchange CEO) who argues that if these rates will cost three times more than the most successful webcasters can earn, &#8220;just run three times the number of advertisements.&#8221;  Does he think that it&#8217;s that simple, of course he does, his name is Simpleton, I mean Simson.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Hather</title>
		<link>http://theappleblog.com/2007/05/17/itunes-soon-to-be-missing-a-feature/#comment-105655</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Hather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2007 19:05:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You're right, the radio feature in iTunes is one of the nicest features. You can hear music from every genre at a click of a button. If you use StreamRipperX you can download the content right from the stream at a high bitrate (if its offered) and with a lot of new stations they are including track headings so your ID3 tags are right in there for you when you import them into iTunes!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right, the radio feature in iTunes is one of the nicest features. You can hear music from every genre at a click of a button. If you use StreamRipperX you can download the content right from the stream at a high bitrate (if its offered) and with a lot of new stations they are including track headings so your ID3 tags are right in there for you when you import them into iTunes!</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Carrell</title>
		<link>http://theappleblog.com/2007/05/17/itunes-soon-to-be-missing-a-feature/#comment-105653</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Carrell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2007 18:31:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sad.  Sad.  Sad.  The kinds of stations I like to listen to have no hope to recoup such costs, and will all disappear forever.  Who the hell do these slimeballs think they are?  Sure, squeeze a lemon, make lemonaid.  Squeeze it way too hard, it simply explodes and leaves a mess with nothing good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sad.  Sad.  Sad.  The kinds of stations I like to listen to have no hope to recoup such costs, and will all disappear forever.  Who the hell do these slimeballs think they are?  Sure, squeeze a lemon, make lemonaid.  Squeeze it way too hard, it simply explodes and leaves a mess with nothing good.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Clark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2007 13:17:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yakov, While you are correct that terrestrial radio doesn't have to pay, satellite radio pays between 3 and 7 % of their revenues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yakov, While you are correct that terrestrial radio doesn&#8217;t have to pay, satellite radio pays between 3 and 7 % of their revenues.</p>
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		<title>By: Yakov Chodosh</title>
		<link>http://theappleblog.com/2007/05/17/itunes-soon-to-be-missing-a-feature/#comment-105633</link>
		<dc:creator>Yakov Chodosh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2007 10:18:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The idea is that terrestrial and satellite radio doesn't have to pay, so neither should net radio.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The idea is that terrestrial and satellite radio doesn&#8217;t have to pay, so neither should net radio.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Clark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2007 10:05:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bunyip, thanks for your support. 

Patrick, well, the rights owners can set a ridiculous high rate so they get a ton of cash from webcasters this summer, and the  nothing in the future. Or they can set a reasonable rate that will insure a revenue stream until at least 2010.

Patrick, Yes, I was told that the rates would be changing. The old rates were 10% of revenue, or $2,000, whichever is greater. I took "rates changing" to mean the new rate would be something like 12 or 15 % of revenue. I had no idea that they would entirely gut the percentage of revenue method used to calculate the royalty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bunyip, thanks for your support. </p>
<p>Patrick, well, the rights owners can set a ridiculous high rate so they get a ton of cash from webcasters this summer, and the  nothing in the future. Or they can set a reasonable rate that will insure a revenue stream until at least 2010.</p>
<p>Patrick, Yes, I was told that the rates would be changing. The old rates were 10% of revenue, or $2,000, whichever is greater. I took &#8220;rates changing&#8221; to mean the new rate would be something like 12 or 15 % of revenue. I had no idea that they would entirely gut the percentage of revenue method used to calculate the royalty.</p>
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		<title>By: roger hall</title>
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		<dc:creator>roger hall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2007 05:04:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So why are these cretins trying to kill Internet Radio?   They're certainly not trying to partner with them like they do with over-the air radio stations.  Lack of control.  No incentive.  They want you to buy new music that THEY promote, not music that was released 20 years ago, or music that has no chance of selling  a gazillian copies in the first month.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So why are these cretins trying to kill Internet Radio?   They&#8217;re certainly not trying to partner with them like they do with over-the air radio stations.  Lack of control.  No incentive.  They want you to buy new music that THEY promote, not music that was released 20 years ago, or music that has no chance of selling  a gazillian copies in the first month.</p>
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		<title>By: 57 Days 12 Hours 20 Minutes 30 seconds (And Counting) Until&#8230;</title>
		<link>http://theappleblog.com/2007/05/17/itunes-soon-to-be-missing-a-feature/#comment-105626</link>
		<dc:creator>57 Days 12 Hours 20 Minutes 30 seconds (And Counting) Until&#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2007 04:09:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] carries songs, now also carries movies, tv shows, podcasts, audiobooks, and radio stations. Over at theappleblog.com, Michael Clark wrote about something interesting that will alter your iTunes (if you use almost all [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] carries songs, now also carries movies, tv shows, podcasts, audiobooks, and radio stations. Over at theappleblog.com, Michael Clark wrote about something interesting that will alter your iTunes (if you use almost all [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Grace</title>
		<link>http://theappleblog.com/2007/05/17/itunes-soon-to-be-missing-a-feature/#comment-105624</link>
		<dc:creator>Grace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2007 03:36:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find this news a bit heartbreaking.  I use the radio stations cause it was versatile and also no commercials.  It led me to discover new tunes out of my realm. How sad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find this news a bit heartbreaking.  I use the radio stations cause it was versatile and also no commercials.  It led me to discover new tunes out of my realm. How sad.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2007 03:18:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to say that it makes sense to me that you should have to pay for performance rights. I realize that you already do pay, but the rights owners should be free to set a fee schedule that works for them, not necessarily you.

Making it retroactive is wrong - but did you have any notice that the fee change would be coming?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to say that it makes sense to me that you should have to pay for performance rights. I realize that you already do pay, but the rights owners should be free to set a fee schedule that works for them, not necessarily you.</p>
<p>Making it retroactive is wrong - but did you have any notice that the fee change would be coming?</p>
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		<title>By: iTunes Soon To Be Missing a Feature</title>
		<link>http://theappleblog.com/2007/05/17/itunes-soon-to-be-missing-a-feature/#comment-105617</link>
		<dc:creator>iTunes Soon To Be Missing a Feature</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 23:53:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Bunyip</title>
		<link>http://theappleblog.com/2007/05/17/itunes-soon-to-be-missing-a-feature/#comment-105616</link>
		<dc:creator>Bunyip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 23:50:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is gutting news. 
I, like you, think the radio feature in iTunes is way underated. When I first began using it years ago I was living in New York. And if you know New York you know otherr than NPR its radio sucks. So I was overjoyed to find streaming music with no ads. It was perfect. Big Url on Groove Salad was my constant companion all day at work. And it was a great way to discover new music that the commercial stations wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole.

Now, alas, it all seems to be coming to an end. I'm heading to that link you provided right now to see if I can do my part to stop this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is gutting news.<br />
I, like you, think the radio feature in iTunes is way underated. When I first began using it years ago I was living in New York. And if you know New York you know otherr than NPR its radio sucks. So I was overjoyed to find streaming music with no ads. It was perfect. Big Url on Groove Salad was my constant companion all day at work. And it was a great way to discover new music that the commercial stations wouldn&#8217;t touch with a ten foot pole.</p>
<p>Now, alas, it all seems to be coming to an end. I&#8217;m heading to that link you provided right now to see if I can do my part to stop this.</p>
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