Comments on: ZFS Not Out, Not In Either http://theappleblog.com/2007/06/12/zfs-not-out-not-in-either/ TheAppleBlog, published by and for the day-to-day Apple user, is a prominent source for news, reviews, walkthroughs, and real life application of all Apple products. Thu, 04 Dec 2008 00:25:29 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: hmurchison http://theappleblog.com/2007/06/12/zfs-not-out-not-in-either/#comment-106292 hmurchison Thu, 14 Jun 2007 22:30:45 +0000 http://theappleblog.com/2007/06/12/zfs-not-out-not-in-either/#comment-106292 Vanni....why don't you spare us the links and long winded diatribe and tell us what is so vastly important yet missing in Leopard? You guys ARE sounding like whiny babies "Leopard doesn't impress me..wah wah" yet most of you can't even create a list of "must haves" so that we have a freakin' clue what we should be missing. Vanni….why don’t you spare us the links and long winded diatribe and tell us what is so vastly important yet missing in Leopard? You guys ARE sounding like whiny babies “Leopard doesn’t impress me..wah wah” yet most of you can’t even create a list of “must haves” so that we have a freakin’ clue what we should be missing.

]]> By: vanni http://theappleblog.com/2007/06/12/zfs-not-out-not-in-either/#comment-106247 vanni Wed, 13 Jun 2007 18:53:13 +0000 http://theappleblog.com/2007/06/12/zfs-not-out-not-in-either/#comment-106247 lots of grumbling in userland, and apple had better listen up: Michael Tsai on the keynote. http://mjtsai.com/blog/2007/06/11/wwdc-2007-keynote/ I am glad that more folks are not going to let apple off the hook on this one. There are real things that need fixing. a transparent dock leaves us cold. as does the otehr eye candy. lots of grumbling in userland, and apple had better listen up:

Michael Tsai on the keynote.
http://mjtsai.com/blog/2007/06/11/wwdc-2007-keynote/

I am glad that more folks are not going to let apple off the hook on this one.
There are real things that need fixing. a transparent dock leaves us cold. as does the otehr eye candy.

]]> By: Nick Santilli http://theappleblog.com/2007/06/12/zfs-not-out-not-in-either/#comment-106240 Nick Santilli Wed, 13 Jun 2007 15:24:39 +0000 http://theappleblog.com/2007/06/12/zfs-not-out-not-in-either/#comment-106240 It's disappointing not to see new tech (ZFS in this case) in our beloved OS which is already so far ahead of the competition. It's by no means a deal breaker, but I couldn't help observing the subtle similarities. The last line was something I couldn't help - poking fun at Apple the same way they've done to MS. Just good fun. :) It’s disappointing not to see new tech (ZFS in this case) in our beloved OS which is already so far ahead of the competition. It’s by no means a deal breaker, but I couldn’t help observing the subtle similarities.

The last line was something I couldn’t help - poking fun at Apple the same way they’ve done to MS. Just good fun. :)

]]> By: vanni http://theappleblog.com/2007/06/12/zfs-not-out-not-in-either/#comment-106239 vanni Wed, 13 Jun 2007 15:20:37 +0000 http://theappleblog.com/2007/06/12/zfs-not-out-not-in-either/#comment-106239 The comments in the response have a good point. Apple has been delivering. BUT, given that Leopard is now overdue.... I saw noting in SJ's keynote on Leopard's features that had me wanting to get an upgrade. I failed to see what is so special about the features presented. ... nice but so what. The one good feature that i won't be able to use is the 64 bit part. i will not be upgrading to intel mac for at least 2-3 years. Now maybe there are _super secret new features_ to come. I certainly hope there are other compelling features to come in Oct. On the other hand i will be perfectly happy with what i have at the moment for another year or two. But it's another case with Dot Mac. IF that is not greatly improved by oct I will not be renewing. Jobs has publicly admitted it needs fixing. It has sucked for at least two years. They had better improve that puppy. So in conclusion I don't think that i am an ungrateful whiny spoiled consumer. Why is it wrong for us to expect improved services and an OS that delivers something after two years of development? Why are we selfish to expect that a service that costs 99 annually be regularly improved? ( I do hope the iPhone is a runaway success, even though i wont be getting one for a year or two.) The comments in the response have a good point. Apple has been delivering. BUT, given that Leopard is now overdue…. I saw noting in SJ’s keynote on Leopard’s features that had me wanting to get an upgrade. I failed to see what is so special about the features presented. … nice but so what. The one good feature that i won’t be able to use is the 64 bit part. i will not be upgrading to intel mac for at least 2-3 years. Now maybe there are _super secret new features_ to come. I certainly hope there are other compelling features to come in Oct. On the other hand i will be perfectly happy with what i have at the moment for another year or two. But it’s another case with Dot Mac. IF that is not greatly improved by oct I will not be renewing. Jobs has publicly admitted it needs fixing. It has sucked for at least two years. They had better improve that puppy. So in conclusion I don’t think that i am an ungrateful whiny spoiled consumer. Why is it wrong for us to expect improved services and an OS that delivers something after two years of development? Why are we selfish to expect that a service that costs 99 annually be regularly improved? ( I do hope the iPhone is a runaway success, even though i wont be getting one for a year or two.)

]]> By: qmchenry http://theappleblog.com/2007/06/12/zfs-not-out-not-in-either/#comment-106237 qmchenry Wed, 13 Jun 2007 13:25:21 +0000 http://theappleblog.com/2007/06/12/zfs-not-out-not-in-either/#comment-106237 This really isn't shocking since Sun doesn't have their boxes installing on ZFS yet, either, and they've definitely been working on it longer than Apple has. Yeah, it's *possible* to boot from ZFS, but the install doesn't offer it on a silver platter (sorry) and you'd better roll up your sleeves and pop a couple of Xanax before you try it. I'd expect (and sincerely want) ZFS to be an option in OS X development builds for a long time before I want it on my Macs. That said, I'll be giddy when I have ZFS on my Macs. This really isn’t shocking since Sun doesn’t have their boxes installing on ZFS yet, either, and they’ve definitely been working on it longer than Apple has. Yeah, it’s *possible* to boot from ZFS, but the install doesn’t offer it on a silver platter (sorry) and you’d better roll up your sleeves and pop a couple of Xanax before you try it. I’d expect (and sincerely want) ZFS to be an option in OS X development builds for a long time before I want it on my Macs. That said, I’ll be giddy when I have ZFS on my Macs.

]]> By: Honza http://theappleblog.com/2007/06/12/zfs-not-out-not-in-either/#comment-106232 Honza Wed, 13 Jun 2007 11:22:48 +0000 http://theappleblog.com/2007/06/12/zfs-not-out-not-in-either/#comment-106232 In addition to my comment above, I want to say that it's not directed at the author (Nick) but that I think that it's a product of having had 'superior OS to windows' for a long time. It's a evolution of complacency, brought about by having too many good things. I think. In addition to my comment above, I want to say that it’s not directed at the author (Nick) but that I think that it’s a product of having had ’superior OS to windows’ for a long time. It’s a evolution of complacency, brought about by having too many good things. I think.

]]> By: Honza http://theappleblog.com/2007/06/12/zfs-not-out-not-in-either/#comment-106231 Honza Wed, 13 Jun 2007 11:17:51 +0000 http://theappleblog.com/2007/06/12/zfs-not-out-not-in-either/#comment-106231 I think the Mac community is replete with selfish, spiteful and spoiled individuals. When there's little to complain about, it seems that they start lifting the carpets to see what they can find... maybe they feel better about themselves when they're bitching about someone/thing else. BTW - I watched the keynote yesterday, and I think it was GREAT. The tongue in cheek pokes at MS were also tons of fun. I am looking forward to my new Leopard iMac in last quarter 2007. I think the Mac community is replete with selfish, spiteful and spoiled individuals.

When there’s little to complain about, it seems that they start lifting the carpets to see what they can find… maybe they feel better about themselves when they’re bitching about someone/thing else.

BTW - I watched the keynote yesterday, and I think it was GREAT. The tongue in cheek pokes at MS were also tons of fun. I am looking forward to my new Leopard iMac in last quarter 2007.

]]> By: Nathaniel http://theappleblog.com/2007/06/12/zfs-not-out-not-in-either/#comment-106230 Nathaniel Wed, 13 Jun 2007 10:58:25 +0000 http://theappleblog.com/2007/06/12/zfs-not-out-not-in-either/#comment-106230 It's not like Apple has been touting ZFS and suddenly removed it. I don't recall them ever even mentioning ZFS before now. It’s not like Apple has been touting ZFS and suddenly removed it. I don’t recall them ever even mentioning ZFS before now.

]]> By: Likkie http://theappleblog.com/2007/06/12/zfs-not-out-not-in-either/#comment-106229 Likkie Wed, 13 Jun 2007 07:13:35 +0000 http://theappleblog.com/2007/06/12/zfs-not-out-not-in-either/#comment-106229 This article is not worthy of comment... This article is not worthy of comment…

]]> By: denny http://theappleblog.com/2007/06/12/zfs-not-out-not-in-either/#comment-106226 denny Wed, 13 Jun 2007 05:21:30 +0000 http://theappleblog.com/2007/06/12/zfs-not-out-not-in-either/#comment-106226 I agree with Brian. Um, HELLO??? Apple has NEVER advertised ZFS. NEVER. I've been amazed at the general cry-baby response to the keynote. I'm starting to think that the Mac community and Mac web has lost it's collective mind. Just what exactly is Apple failing to deliver? Folks are far too quick to forget the accomplishments of the past few years and put up this gimme gimme gimme tantrum. Let's not forget that Jobs and the engineers are human beings with lives and families. I agree with Brian. Um, HELLO??? Apple has NEVER advertised ZFS. NEVER.

I’ve been amazed at the general cry-baby response to the keynote. I’m starting to think that the Mac community and Mac web has lost it’s collective mind. Just what exactly is Apple failing to deliver? Folks are far too quick to forget the accomplishments of the past few years and put up this gimme gimme gimme tantrum. Let’s not forget that Jobs and the engineers are human beings with lives and families.

]]> By: Brian Dash http://theappleblog.com/2007/06/12/zfs-not-out-not-in-either/#comment-106223 Brian Dash Wed, 13 Jun 2007 04:03:54 +0000 http://theappleblog.com/2007/06/12/zfs-not-out-not-in-either/#comment-106223 It's a bit of a different situation don't you think? In the Microsoft case they advertise a list of features they intend to ship, then cut the features before release. In the Apple case fanboys speculate for a year and come up with wild-ass theories with no official comment from Apple, and are disappointed when their guesses are not accurate. It’s a bit of a different situation don’t you think? In the Microsoft case they advertise a list of features they intend to ship, then cut the features before release. In the Apple case fanboys speculate for a year and come up with wild-ass theories with no official comment from Apple, and are disappointed when their guesses are not accurate.

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