Comments on: Which Way Is Up!? http://theappleblog.com/2007/10/04/which-way-is-up/ TheAppleBlog, published by and for the day-to-day Apple user, is a prominent source for news, reviews, walkthroughs, and real life application of all Apple products. Wed, 03 Dec 2008 06:42:40 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: random8r http://theappleblog.com/2007/10/04/which-way-is-up/#comment-123907 random8r Sun, 02 Nov 2008 20:58:13 +0000 http://theappleblog.com/2007/10/04/which-way-is-up/#comment-123907 Actually I have a lot of experience with the actual situation. The case in point is that the iPod Touch and iPhone (I have one of each) have DIRECT MANIPULATION because you're dragging your finger across the screen. The trackpad, however, is indirect manipulation, in that you don't drag your finger across the screen, you drag it across a pointing device. If you think about it, you'll see Apple is currently correct. The other way is idiotic. Actually I have a lot of experience with the actual situation. The case in point is that the iPod Touch and iPhone (I have one of each) have DIRECT MANIPULATION because you’re dragging your finger across the screen. The trackpad, however, is indirect manipulation, in that you don’t drag your finger across the screen, you drag it across a pointing device. If you think about it, you’ll see Apple is currently correct. The other way is idiotic.

]]> By: Kabe http://theappleblog.com/2007/10/04/which-way-is-up/#comment-123888 Kabe Sun, 02 Nov 2008 16:56:34 +0000 http://theappleblog.com/2007/10/04/which-way-is-up/#comment-123888 There is no *right* or *wrong*, and I guess that random8r has no experience with the actual situation. It's not that we're getting confused about "what each is doing is slightly incorrect". This is about building consistent user habits, which do not require a constant change of our minds. If the iPod builds the user habit of direct manipulation (dragging the page, not the control), then it's a perfectly valid request to ask for the option to have direct manipulation in the MacBook Trackpad as well. Kabe There is no *right* or *wrong*, and I guess that random8r has no experience with the actual situation.

It’s not that we’re getting confused about “what each is doing is slightly incorrect”.
This is about building consistent user habits, which do not require a constant change of our minds.

If the iPod builds the user habit of direct manipulation (dragging the page, not the control), then it’s a perfectly valid request to ask for the option to have direct manipulation in the MacBook Trackpad as well.

Kabe

]]> By: random8r http://theappleblog.com/2007/10/04/which-way-is-up/#comment-113446 random8r Mon, 14 Jan 2008 00:01:24 +0000 http://theappleblog.com/2007/10/04/which-way-is-up/#comment-113446 This post is really wrong. The reason the iPod touch and iPhone behave the way they do is that you're actually DIRECTLY touching the screen. So, if you were DIRECTLY touching a piece of paper, flicking up WOULD move the page up. But, using the MBP double-touch is INDIRECT, so it'st the equivalent of using a scroll-wheel on a mouse. The reason you get confused is that your idea of what each is doing is slightly incorrect. You simply need to modify that idea slighly, and you won't have any problems any more. Change it in your mind. This post is really wrong. The reason the iPod touch and iPhone behave the way they do is that you’re actually DIRECTLY touching the screen.

So, if you were DIRECTLY touching a piece of paper, flicking up WOULD move the page up.

But, using the MBP double-touch is INDIRECT, so it’st the equivalent of using a scroll-wheel on a mouse.

The reason you get confused is that your idea of what each is doing is slightly incorrect. You simply need to modify that idea slighly, and you won’t have any problems any more.

Change it in your mind.

]]> By: Bryan M. http://theappleblog.com/2007/10/04/which-way-is-up/#comment-113432 Bryan M. Sun, 13 Jan 2008 02:23:25 +0000 http://theappleblog.com/2007/10/04/which-way-is-up/#comment-113432 Great, you were the first result on google when I searched for an answer moments ago. While tracking about Logic Studio 8, i noticed scrolling around was giving me a giant headache. Same headache that I get when I leave the sun visor down when driving at night (and I don't realize it). Using the iphone definatly requires an invert on all other touch interfaces. Anyways, good stuff. I'm gonna download this immidiatly. -B Great, you were the first result on google when I searched for an answer moments ago. While tracking about Logic Studio 8, i noticed scrolling around was giving me a giant headache. Same headache that I get when I leave the sun visor down when driving at night (and I don’t realize it). Using the iphone definatly requires an invert on all other touch interfaces. Anyways, good stuff. I’m gonna download this immidiatly.

-B

]]> By: random8r http://theappleblog.com/2007/10/04/which-way-is-up/#comment-110592 random8r Sun, 07 Oct 2007 16:37:30 +0000 http://theappleblog.com/2007/10/04/which-way-is-up/#comment-110592 Actually the UI isn't inverted. In one instance (the mac laptops), the double-finger movement is to control the direction of the window scroll (akin to scrolling down the page by dragging the position indicator at the side of the page). In the other instance, your fingers ARE the pointer, and the idea is you're literally flicking the page. One is made as an extension of an already-existing UI for computer users, the other is made a green-dream UI for non-computer-users. It's like the difference between a design decision made inside a city that has been planned from the ground up, versus a city that has naturally evolved over time. Actually the UI isn’t inverted. In one instance (the mac laptops), the double-finger movement is to control the direction of the window scroll (akin to scrolling down the page by dragging the position indicator at the side of the page).

In the other instance, your fingers ARE the pointer, and the idea is you’re literally flicking the page.

One is made as an extension of an already-existing UI for computer users, the other is made a green-dream UI for non-computer-users.

It’s like the difference between a design decision made inside a city that has been planned from the ground up, versus a city that has naturally evolved over time.

]]> By: Mathew http://theappleblog.com/2007/10/04/which-way-is-up/#comment-110565 Mathew Sat, 06 Oct 2007 08:41:48 +0000 http://theappleblog.com/2007/10/04/which-way-is-up/#comment-110565 I found myself doing the exact same thing. I love the way the iPod touch / iPhone scrolling behaves as any physical media would, and it definitely seemed odd moving back to the trackpad and having to force myself to scroll in the opposite direction. Great post. I found myself doing the exact same thing. I love the way the iPod touch / iPhone scrolling behaves as any physical media would, and it definitely seemed odd moving back to the trackpad and having to force myself to scroll in the opposite direction.

Great post.

]]> By: weisheng http://theappleblog.com/2007/10/04/which-way-is-up/#comment-110561 weisheng Sat, 06 Oct 2007 02:03:59 +0000 http://theappleblog.com/2007/10/04/which-way-is-up/#comment-110561 I get totally disorientated by the iPhone/touch scrolling. It's not normal! Apple reverse it please! I get totally disorientated by the iPhone/touch scrolling. It’s not normal! Apple reverse it please!

]]> By: Colin http://theappleblog.com/2007/10/04/which-way-is-up/#comment-110556 Colin Fri, 05 Oct 2007 20:57:28 +0000 http://theappleblog.com/2007/10/04/which-way-is-up/#comment-110556 Haha Nick! I've used it before, just don't use one regularly. I intend on getting an iPod touch soon and from what I've heard the two are similar minus a few features. Haha Nick!

I’ve used it before, just don’t use one regularly. I intend on getting an iPod touch soon and from what I’ve heard the two are similar minus a few features.

]]> By: Nick Santilli http://theappleblog.com/2007/10/04/which-way-is-up/#comment-110534 Nick Santilli Fri, 05 Oct 2007 01:14:36 +0000 http://theappleblog.com/2007/10/04/which-way-is-up/#comment-110534 Colin - find a friend with an iPhone and bug him. :) Like I do.... Colin - find a friend with an iPhone and bug him. :) Like I do….

]]> By: Frank http://theappleblog.com/2007/10/04/which-way-is-up/#comment-110532 Frank Fri, 05 Oct 2007 00:49:23 +0000 http://theappleblog.com/2007/10/04/which-way-is-up/#comment-110532 Nick, I had the exact same experience. It suddenly went away after a couple of weeks, I guess my body adjusted. Nick,

I had the exact same experience. It suddenly went away after a couple of weeks, I guess my body adjusted.

]]> By: Colin http://theappleblog.com/2007/10/04/which-way-is-up/#comment-110531 Colin Fri, 05 Oct 2007 00:16:39 +0000 http://theappleblog.com/2007/10/04/which-way-is-up/#comment-110531 Not having an iPhone made it hard for me to picture what you guys were talking about. But after thinking about it in my head (and literally trying it on my trackpad) I think I agree: You should be allowed to customize it without a third party application. Not having an iPhone made it hard for me to picture what you guys were talking about. But after thinking about it in my head (and literally trying it on my trackpad) I think I agree: You should be allowed to customize it without a third party application.

]]> By: Nick Santilli http://theappleblog.com/2007/10/04/which-way-is-up/#comment-110527 Nick Santilli Thu, 04 Oct 2007 23:03:24 +0000 http://theappleblog.com/2007/10/04/which-way-is-up/#comment-110527 LARick - Agreed, SideTrack is a fantastic utility. I haven't used it since upgrading from my PowerBooks to my MacBook, as lots of good functionality is baked in (albeit, not nearly the power of sidetrack). but that's good to know that it's a feature now. May have to look back into that... LARick - Agreed, SideTrack is a fantastic utility. I haven’t used it since upgrading from my PowerBooks to my MacBook, as lots of good functionality is baked in (albeit, not nearly the power of sidetrack). but that’s good to know that it’s a feature now. May have to look back into that…

]]> By: LARick http://theappleblog.com/2007/10/04/which-way-is-up/#comment-110524 LARick Thu, 04 Oct 2007 22:29:29 +0000 http://theappleblog.com/2007/10/04/which-way-is-up/#comment-110524 I've had the same sensation. You can invert the scroll direction by using SideTrack from ragingmenace.com. I don't use it for that, but it does many other things great things such as map trackpad corners to keystrokes such as right-click. This is an essential utility for me since my first Powerbook and now on my MacBook Pro. I’ve had the same sensation.

You can invert the scroll direction by using SideTrack from ragingmenace.com. I don’t use it for that, but it does many other things great things such as map trackpad corners to keystrokes such as right-click. This is an essential utility for me since my first Powerbook and now on my MacBook Pro.

]]> By: Matt Radel http://theappleblog.com/2007/10/04/which-way-is-up/#comment-110522 Matt Radel Thu, 04 Oct 2007 22:11:39 +0000 http://theappleblog.com/2007/10/04/which-way-is-up/#comment-110522 Ah...that's why the scrolling on the iPhone felt awkward to me! I'm using the trackpad on my MBP quite regularly, so it makes total sense. Ah…that’s why the scrolling on the iPhone felt awkward to me! I’m using the trackpad on my MBP quite regularly, so it makes total sense.

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