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By: .terceiro vag�o » Blog Archive » Forma, fun��o e sistemas operacionais

.terceiro vag�o » Blog Archive » Forma, fun��o e sistemas operacionais — Wed, 21 Nov 2007 10:36:35 +0000

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By: Arvin

Arvin — Thu, 15 Nov 2007 18:16:33 +0000

Everyone’s that’s enjoyed it so far, thanks. The response has been great to see.

bombastiator: I happen to like the space looking effect. Feels more futuristic, but chances are I won’t keep it for long.

Honza, thanks that made my day =)

Tom and the “debate team”: I agree far more with Joe, the fact is as soon as I switched to OS X, I’ve found new and exciting utilities to use, namely Quicksilver. I think the Windows versions (Skylight, and others) are clunky, ugly, and have very, very few features. That being said I do understand Windows more in a business setting. At work, our company relies heavily on Outlook and Windows for scheduling, networking, etc. I see that changing too eventually, def slowly, but steadily.

By: Honza

Honza — Thu, 15 Nov 2007 16:17:01 +0000

They won’t do it. But you can. osx86project.org.

By: Tom

Tom — Thu, 15 Nov 2007 13:55:31 +0000

Joe I can see what you’re saying, and I think you tend to get better apps in Linux too. But considering that there will always be something I want to run in Windows, be it a game or app, then what it comes down to for me is do I have dual boot OSX and Windows, or dual boot Linux and Windows. I think both solutions work equally well, but if I go for OSX / Windows I either spend twice as much on hardware, or get half the machine specifications for the same money. This is why I’d like to see OSX on standard PCs. That said I don’t think it would be a good move for Apple.

By: joe

joe — Thu, 15 Nov 2007 13:43:31 +0000

the majority of interesting little apps you find kicking around the web and want to try out.

I thought this at first, too, when I moved fully to Mac a few years ago. But what I’ve found is actually quite the opposite. 1) most of the “little tools” written for Windows are complete crap. 2) I have been hardpressed to find a tool or app that I used regularly on Windows that does not have a Mac equivalent. The only program I need to run regularly on Windows is MS Money, but that’s a major application, not just a hacker tool or whatever.

I like to think of it in this way. For almost any Windows utility or app, there are 100 different tools or programs you can use. 95 of those programs are shit - they look like shit, and the often function like shit. The other 5 are OK, and you might find one or two that are really good.

On Mac, though, you might only find 5, 8 or 10 tools that do the same thing. But on the whole, the form and function of all the Mac tools are much higher than the plethora of crap that is out there for Windows. Then of the limited number of Mac tools, half of them will be OK to Good, and the other half will be great, usually with a couple standouts that are excellent.

By: Tom

Tom — Thu, 15 Nov 2007 13:23:56 +0000

I disagree with your assignments of form and functionality to the 3 OS choices. You can’t get past the fact that there are lots of things that you can do on Windows which at this point in time you can’t really do on Linux or Mac, so how can you say Windows is not “function”. Examples of this are most games, and the majority of interesting little apps you find kicking around the web and want to try out.
Personally I choose to use linux (PCLinuxOS) for most of my needs (browsing, word processing, email etc), then drop into Windows for games and other odds and sods. I’d be keen to give OS X a decent appraisal and see whether it would replace Linux in my case, but whenever I look at Mac hardware I always get to the checkout and see what I’m actually getting for my money and decide not too. For instance they’re still holding dvd writers to randsome on the lower price models - in this day and age!!! I say we need OS X on PC.

By: Daniel

Daniel — Thu, 15 Nov 2007 10:50:54 +0000

I agree with the poster above, G4 Mini user for 2-3 years. Never had a problem and lovin the form. Ordered a MacBook a couple of days ago and it’s currently sitting on the shelves in my post office. Gotta love it! And oh, I’m european.

By: Honza

Honza — Thu, 15 Nov 2007 10:28:04 +0000

I think one of the best articles I have read on TAB for a while. I’m also a switcher (2 years later I’m still on my first mac, a G4 mini) after being a PC user since Dos 3 and Windows 3.0. Not looking back with regret, at all

By: bombastiator

bombastiator — Thu, 15 Nov 2007 09:48:50 +0000

As a quick aside o the for issue, I have to say I find the purple space splash screen particularly hideous. To thouse that do not I challenge you to look at the screen and repeat to yourself “giant space sphincter” It’s kind of like one of those hidden image pictures. Once it’s pointed out it’s all you can see.

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Leopard GUI | Artueel blog, over webstandaarden en al — Thu, 15 Nov 2007 08:25:22 +0000

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By: Lordmike

Lordmike — Thu, 15 Nov 2007 06:26:27 +0000

You are right. I have used windows and linux during the years, I’m far from being an expert but as you said windows is form (well used be just “and” where linux is just function. Tried to use both windows and linux side by side for years to do different things.
Went to buy a mac, because it looked great and hear that I could use bash and other nice old unix apps plus some new great mac apps I wanted in.
I have had a macbook pro 15,4″ since 2-3 weeks after the first model was out (core duo that is) and I love it. At first I thought it would be hard, but it just works great feels safe and looks nice.
TAB forums plus the blog has helped me a lot to get into the mac community. Thanks guys/gals.

By: Dominique

Dominique — Thu, 15 Nov 2007 01:02:08 +0000

Wow, you nailed it right on the head. I just got Leopard and I have no complaints. None. Form and function all in one box.

By: Arvin

Arvin — Wed, 14 Nov 2007 22:45:43 +0000

I’m glad you enjoyed the article, and I’m really excited to see it up. I agree though, OS X isn’t as mainstream “yet”, but I see more new users adopting and adapting to it, so I think Apple’s clearly hedging their way forward. It’ll be interested to see how the market swings in the next 10 years.

By: Mike

Mike — Wed, 14 Nov 2007 20:48:01 +0000

I agree with the article with one caveat … Ubuntu is getting closer with each release to Mac OS X. The newest release is far better than WinXP or Vista. I am impressed with what that community is putting together.

By: Matt Hoult

Matt Hoult — Wed, 14 Nov 2007 19:54:19 +0000

While I agree with the sentiment of the post, I still find it ironically hysterical that below it is an ad that wants me to get ready for Leopard by adding more RAM.

By: joe

joe — Wed, 14 Nov 2007 19:19:06 +0000

i’ve been making this argument for a while now, for OS X. I sometimes hear that OS X or Mac apps are just “eye candy”. It has been shown in the past couple years that basically anything you can do on a PC, you can do on a Mac too. For nearly every popular Windows application, there is an equivalent Mac application. So once the “function” is equal, why shouldn’t some attention be paid to the “form”? I mean, if my OS and Applications do everything I need them to do, is there any reason they shouldn’t look good while doing it?

and I also take issue with people who claim that Vista is “on par” with OS X, or that “vista ripped off OS X” or whatever. yes, it’s true that Vista is flashy and bubbly and glassy and bright and transparent and all that jazz. It really does look like a more modern or futuristic Windows. But if you actually look at the interface element, it is nothing like OS X. Just comparing the new Windows Explorer and any of the OS X Finders makes that clear. Sure, the Vista Explorer looks better than XP Explorer, I guess, but it’s so overwhelming - they just try to throw so much information and options at you in one little screen. This is where Apple realizes that Form and Function are fully intertwined, but creating an interface in Finder that looks good, is simple, elegant, but fully functional. (actually, i though Finder =< 10.4 sucked. it was too simple. i really only like Finder 10.5, though)

By: tdi

tdi — Wed, 14 Nov 2007 18:36:15 +0000

I agree .. but since when OSX is mainstream? Maybe in USA, for rest of world osx is as rare as linux, but from completely different reasons. Nevertheless good post.

By: Steve Grenier

Steve Grenier — Wed, 14 Nov 2007 18:06:20 +0000

Well said. I completely agree. Its sad some people always look at Apple as the trendy thing, they don’t really look at the usability of it. As a Windows user for 10+ years switching to OS X just a year ago. I have to say the difference is major. I can’t say it enough how much a relief it is using OS X, it works, its stable, its fast, and it gives me all the tools I need at easy access and hides the important things so it doesn’t look overwhelming. Even with the various annoyances its far better than Windows.