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	<title>Comments on: Spy shots show OS X without the &#8216;Mac&#8217;; could clones return?</title>
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		<title>By: Xanny&#8217;s Tech Weblog &#187; Foto dei cartelloni dove si svolgera&#8217; il WWDC</title>
		<link>http://theappleblog.com/2008/06/05/spy-shots-show-os-x-without-the-mac/#comment-117614</link>
		<dc:creator>Xanny&#8217;s Tech Weblog &#187; Foto dei cartelloni dove si svolgera&#8217; il WWDC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 21:08:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] c’è chi sostiene che le ragioni siano altre, come Nick Mediati di The Apple Blog che si diverte a speculare, per sua stessa ammissione senza alcun intento di apparire realistico, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] c’è chi sostiene che le ragioni siano altre, come Nick Mediati di The Apple Blog che si diverte a speculare, per sua stessa ammissione senza alcun intento di apparire realistico, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Honza</title>
		<link>http://theappleblog.com/2008/06/05/spy-shots-show-os-x-without-the-mac/#comment-117477</link>
		<dc:creator>Honza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 13:39:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's quite simple, they are killing the 'Macintosh' brand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s quite simple, they are killing the &#8216;Macintosh&#8217; brand.</p>
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		<title>By: Late rumor shows new developer Mac; is this for real? &#124; RatZine - Rat stinkin news</title>
		<link>http://theappleblog.com/2008/06/05/spy-shots-show-os-x-without-the-mac/#comment-117474</link>
		<dc:creator>Late rumor shows new developer Mac; is this for real? &#124; RatZine - Rat stinkin news</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 07:21:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] mentions &#8220;OS X,&#8221; not &#8220;Mac OS X,&#8221; which is consistent with Apple&#8217;s apparent shift in OS X branding. And perhaps there are other special features with developers in mind; there&#8217;s not a whole [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] mentions &#8220;OS X,&#8221; not &#8220;Mac OS X,&#8221; which is consistent with Apple&#8217;s apparent shift in OS X branding. And perhaps there are other special features with developers in mind; there&#8217;s not a whole [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Late rumor shows new developer Mac; is this for real? &#124; The Apple Blog</title>
		<link>http://theappleblog.com/2008/06/05/spy-shots-show-os-x-without-the-mac/#comment-117435</link>
		<dc:creator>Late rumor shows new developer Mac; is this for real? &#124; The Apple Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 14:20:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] mentions &#8220;OS X,&#8221; not &#8220;Mac OS X,&#8221; which is consistent with Apple&#8217;s apparent shift in OS X branding. And perhaps there are other special features with developers in mind; there&#8217;s not a whole [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] mentions &#8220;OS X,&#8221; not &#8220;Mac OS X,&#8221; which is consistent with Apple&#8217;s apparent shift in OS X branding. And perhaps there are other special features with developers in mind; there&#8217;s not a whole [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Apple WWDC Rumor Round Up And Predictions &#187; Webomatica - Technology and Entertainment Digest</title>
		<link>http://theappleblog.com/2008/06/05/spy-shots-show-os-x-without-the-mac/#comment-117425</link>
		<dc:creator>Apple WWDC Rumor Round Up And Predictions &#187; Webomatica - Technology and Entertainment Digest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 05:32:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Apple releasing OS X for PCs: Granted, the author of this article was just tossing this out there, but this rumor comes up every year and it never feels right. I know many PC users are dreaming of this day, but I feel it will never become a reality as long as Mac hardware sales are on the up and up and Apple is raking in the coinage as things are. OS X on PCs is the ultimate back up plan in case all else fails and Apple is on the ropes. And Apple&#8217;s definitely not on the ropes right now, so forget about it. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Apple releasing OS X for PCs: Granted, the author of this article was just tossing this out there, but this rumor comes up every year and it never feels right. I know many PC users are dreaming of this day, but I feel it will never become a reality as long as Mac hardware sales are on the up and up and Apple is raking in the coinage as things are. OS X on PCs is the ultimate back up plan in case all else fails and Apple is on the ropes. And Apple&#8217;s definitely not on the ropes right now, so forget about it. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Apple’s WWDC banners show OS X without the ‘Mac’&#160;&#124;&#160;M12</title>
		<link>http://theappleblog.com/2008/06/05/spy-shots-show-os-x-without-the-mac/#comment-117411</link>
		<dc:creator>Apple’s WWDC banners show OS X without the ‘Mac’&#160;&#124;&#160;M12</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2008 17:04:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Full article here. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Will</title>
		<link>http://theappleblog.com/2008/06/05/spy-shots-show-os-x-without-the-mac/#comment-117407</link>
		<dc:creator>Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2008 11:41:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dunno. I still seriously doubt there will be a version of the Mac OS released for standard PCs in the near future. It doesn't fit with Apple's integral bubble of "The Mac OS runs on Mac machines" and vice versa. 

Also, the dropping of PPC support on the second OS release after the PPC chips were dropped? Not very likely in my books. 

Although, come back to me in six months before MacWorld and ask me again, I may have changed my mind depending on what happens at WWDC.

As a sidenote, I'm running Safari 3.1.1 on Tiger, and I have no problems whatsoever with things being over on the left, I have a clear 200 ish pixel border down the left hand side.

Peace out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dunno. I still seriously doubt there will be a version of the Mac OS released for standard PCs in the near future. It doesn&#8217;t fit with Apple&#8217;s integral bubble of &#8220;The Mac OS runs on Mac machines&#8221; and vice versa. </p>
<p>Also, the dropping of PPC support on the second OS release after the PPC chips were dropped? Not very likely in my books. </p>
<p>Although, come back to me in six months before MacWorld and ask me again, I may have changed my mind depending on what happens at WWDC.</p>
<p>As a sidenote, I&#8217;m running Safari 3.1.1 on Tiger, and I have no problems whatsoever with things being over on the left, I have a clear 200 ish pixel border down the left hand side.</p>
<p>Peace out.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony</title>
		<link>http://theappleblog.com/2008/06/05/spy-shots-show-os-x-without-the-mac/#comment-117406</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2008 06:52:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The comment about the stuff jammed all the way to the left is a 'bug' with Safari. Open this site in a tab and it's one pixel from the edge. Has been happening for several Safari 3.x versions now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The comment about the stuff jammed all the way to the left is a &#8216;bug&#8217; with Safari. Open this site in a tab and it&#8217;s one pixel from the edge. Has been happening for several Safari 3.x versions now.</p>
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		<title>By: alphaeus - think, design, create &#187; Archive &#187; &#187; Hell freezes over &#8230; again!</title>
		<link>http://theappleblog.com/2008/06/05/spy-shots-show-os-x-without-the-mac/#comment-117398</link>
		<dc:creator>alphaeus - think, design, create &#187; Archive &#187; &#187; Hell freezes over &#8230; again!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 21:57:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the form of rumors. Friday morning, the first spy shots of Moscone Center West were published. Now The AppleBlog is raising the question if the obvious lack of &#8220;Mac&#8221; branding (there is no [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the form of rumors. Friday morning, the first spy shots of Moscone Center West were published. Now The AppleBlog is raising the question if the obvious lack of &#8220;Mac&#8221; branding (there is no [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Johannes</title>
		<link>http://theappleblog.com/2008/06/05/spy-shots-show-os-x-without-the-mac/#comment-117397</link>
		<dc:creator>Johannes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 21:57:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel a sense of doubt, a disturbance in the Force.</description>
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		<title>By: Jan</title>
		<link>http://theappleblog.com/2008/06/05/spy-shots-show-os-x-without-the-mac/#comment-117396</link>
		<dc:creator>Jan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 20:43:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don't the two SF bridges on Apple's WWDC &lt;i&gt;Landmark Event&lt;/i&gt; promo...
http://tinyurl.com/5bzxao
...look strangely like a victory sign? :)

http://tinyurl.com/56bjde
Thought so.

So, what 'victory' is announced with Apple's pic? One in the near future, where the unfulfilled Vista masses may, by Apple's grace, switch for cheap to the Snow Leopard? Probably, this will remain a pipe dream, but it might just be true. We'll know in just two days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t the two SF bridges on Apple&#8217;s WWDC <i>Landmark Event</i> promo&#8230;<br />
<a href="http://tinyurl.com/5bzxao" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/5bzxao</a><br />
&#8230;look strangely like a victory sign? <img src='http://theappleblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p><a href="http://tinyurl.com/56bjde" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/56bjde</a><br />
Thought so.</p>
<p>So, what &#8216;victory&#8217; is announced with Apple&#8217;s pic? One in the near future, where the unfulfilled Vista masses may, by Apple&#8217;s grace, switch for cheap to the Snow Leopard? Probably, this will remain a pipe dream, but it might just be true. We&#8217;ll know in just two days.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://theappleblog.com/2008/06/05/spy-shots-show-os-x-without-the-mac/#comment-117387</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 16:44:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dropping PPC to "force" users to upgrade?  Never mind that the last PPC Power Macs are just over two years old, and still run pretty darn well compared to their Intel brethren.

Take this rumor like you take any other: with a large grain of salt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dropping PPC to &#8220;force&#8221; users to upgrade?  Never mind that the last PPC Power Macs are just over two years old, and still run pretty darn well compared to their Intel brethren.</p>
<p>Take this rumor like you take any other: with a large grain of salt.</p>
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		<title>By: David H Dennis</title>
		<link>http://theappleblog.com/2008/06/05/spy-shots-show-os-x-without-the-mac/#comment-117386</link>
		<dc:creator>David H Dennis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 15:25:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One curious thing about Pystar is that its systems are not all that competitive with real Macs.  If you want a legal Pystar clone, you need to order it with MacOS X, and that makes the base price $530. 

Apple will sell you a Mac Mini for $599.

Furthermore, it looked to me like most people want Pystar machines specced up to the point of the iMac, not Mac Mini, and when you do that you get to about $750, versus common iMac refurbished prices of $850-950.  Since the iMac includes a nice monitor and the Pystar does not, there seems to be very little reason to buy the latter unless you're into hardcore tinkering, or you really love your junky old monitor.

The tinkerer's market is a small one that Apple has no interest in, so it's very possible that Apple is ignoring Pystar since they are indirect competitors at best.

I would say that at current prices very few people who want Macs are going to be Pystar customers.

So it may not be worth the cost of shutting Pystar down, especially since they are selling quasi-legitimate copies of MacOS X, and that revenue goes to Apple.

Apple probably makes more on the $90-odd wholesale price than Pystar makes on the rest of the package.

D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One curious thing about Pystar is that its systems are not all that competitive with real Macs.  If you want a legal Pystar clone, you need to order it with MacOS X, and that makes the base price $530. </p>
<p>Apple will sell you a Mac Mini for $599.</p>
<p>Furthermore, it looked to me like most people want Pystar machines specced up to the point of the iMac, not Mac Mini, and when you do that you get to about $750, versus common iMac refurbished prices of $850-950.  Since the iMac includes a nice monitor and the Pystar does not, there seems to be very little reason to buy the latter unless you&#8217;re into hardcore tinkering, or you really love your junky old monitor.</p>
<p>The tinkerer&#8217;s market is a small one that Apple has no interest in, so it&#8217;s very possible that Apple is ignoring Pystar since they are indirect competitors at best.</p>
<p>I would say that at current prices very few people who want Macs are going to be Pystar customers.</p>
<p>So it may not be worth the cost of shutting Pystar down, especially since they are selling quasi-legitimate copies of MacOS X, and that revenue goes to Apple.</p>
<p>Apple probably makes more on the $90-odd wholesale price than Pystar makes on the rest of the package.</p>
<p>D</p>
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		<title>By: Maciverse &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Apple WWDC 08 Approaches</title>
		<link>http://theappleblog.com/2008/06/05/spy-shots-show-os-x-without-the-mac/#comment-117385</link>
		<dc:creator>Maciverse &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Apple WWDC 08 Approaches</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 14:04:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the final steps of moving away from the PowerPC processor line. There is also some thought that Apple may start allowing their OS to be run on non-Apple computers. I&#8217;m a bit skeptic (although would enjoy the possibility) of this idea as the combination of [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the final steps of moving away from the PowerPC processor line. There is also some thought that Apple may start allowing their OS to be run on non-Apple computers. I&#8217;m a bit skeptic (although would enjoy the possibility) of this idea as the combination of [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
		<link>http://theappleblog.com/2008/06/05/spy-shots-show-os-x-without-the-mac/#comment-117379</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 12:46:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everyone, this is the downside of blogs: People post whatever comes into their head without giving themselves the time to review it and conclude "Holy crap that was a stupendously silly idea, I'm sure glad I didn't post that!"

Sorry for being harsh, but I just read an article where a "professional" writer thought that flash memory was memory specifically designed for Adobe Flash Media Player and still trying to recover from that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everyone, this is the downside of blogs: People post whatever comes into their head without giving themselves the time to review it and conclude &#8220;Holy crap that was a stupendously silly idea, I&#8217;m sure glad I didn&#8217;t post that!&#8221;</p>
<p>Sorry for being harsh, but I just read an article where a &#8220;professional&#8221; writer thought that flash memory was memory specifically designed for Adobe Flash Media Player and still trying to recover from that.</p>
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		<title>By: WWDC ‘08 Rumor Roundup &#124; RatZine - Rat stinkin news</title>
		<link>http://theappleblog.com/2008/06/05/spy-shots-show-os-x-without-the-mac/#comment-117377</link>
		<dc:creator>WWDC ‘08 Rumor Roundup &#124; RatZine - Rat stinkin news</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 09:55:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Mac Clones [...]</description>
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		<title>By: WWDC &#8216;08 Rumor Roundup &#124; The Apple Blog</title>
		<link>http://theappleblog.com/2008/06/05/spy-shots-show-os-x-without-the-mac/#comment-117365</link>
		<dc:creator>WWDC &#8216;08 Rumor Roundup &#124; The Apple Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 00:14:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Mac Clones [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Mac Clones [...]</p>
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		<title>By: David Snow</title>
		<link>http://theappleblog.com/2008/06/05/spy-shots-show-os-x-without-the-mac/#comment-117364</link>
		<dc:creator>David Snow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 22:53:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apple is a hardware company. They do fantastic software in order to sell more hardware with fantastic industrial design. Licensing OSX to a bunch of terrible, clunky beige box dealers will only happen over Steve's dead body.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apple is a hardware company. They do fantastic software in order to sell more hardware with fantastic industrial design. Licensing OSX to a bunch of terrible, clunky beige box dealers will only happen over Steve&#8217;s dead body.</p>
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		<title>By: jL</title>
		<link>http://theappleblog.com/2008/06/05/spy-shots-show-os-x-without-the-mac/#comment-117363</link>
		<dc:creator>jL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 22:27:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apple exercises too much control over their public image to risk letting a bunch of amateurs ship some shitty clones and make people think "macs" are crappy.

This would destroy all their hard work over the last 10 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apple exercises too much control over their public image to risk letting a bunch of amateurs ship some shitty clones and make people think &#8220;macs&#8221; are crappy.</p>
<p>This would destroy all their hard work over the last 10 years.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Bowell</title>
		<link>http://theappleblog.com/2008/06/05/spy-shots-show-os-x-without-the-mac/#comment-117361</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil Bowell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 22:14:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Managed to find the quote I was looking for from the &lt;a href="http://d5.allthingsd.com/20070530/d5-gates-jobs-interview/" rel="nofollow"&gt;interview with Steve Jobs and Bill Gates.&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;but Apple’s fundamentally a software company and there’s not a lot of us left and Microsoft’s one of them.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Managed to find the quote I was looking for from the <a href="http://d5.allthingsd.com/20070530/d5-gates-jobs-interview/" rel="nofollow">interview with Steve Jobs and Bill Gates.</a></p>
<blockquote><p>but Apple’s fundamentally a software company and there’s not a lot of us left and Microsoft’s one of them.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Phil Bowell</title>
		<link>http://theappleblog.com/2008/06/05/spy-shots-show-os-x-without-the-mac/#comment-117360</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil Bowell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 22:06:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's quite simply just a re-alignment/branding call it what you wish.  When Steve presented the iPhone he made a point of saying it ran OS X, since then it has been clear that Mac OS X and the OS X on the iPhone have the same core but have been refined for the respective hardware they run on.  If Apple can stress the fact that iPhone runs OS X, then it connects the pleasure of using the iPhone software to the software running on the Mac, thus creates more switchers.

Regarding the other debate on here.  Apple is first and foremost a software company.  Steve Jobs has stated it himself.  They just make the hardware to run the software allowing them to ensure the best experience of the software is achieved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s quite simply just a re-alignment/branding call it what you wish.  When Steve presented the iPhone he made a point of saying it ran OS X, since then it has been clear that Mac OS X and the OS X on the iPhone have the same core but have been refined for the respective hardware they run on.  If Apple can stress the fact that iPhone runs OS X, then it connects the pleasure of using the iPhone software to the software running on the Mac, thus creates more switchers.</p>
<p>Regarding the other debate on here.  Apple is first and foremost a software company.  Steve Jobs has stated it himself.  They just make the hardware to run the software allowing them to ensure the best experience of the software is achieved.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://theappleblog.com/2008/06/05/spy-shots-show-os-x-without-the-mac/#comment-117359</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 21:23:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Apple is indeed &lt;b&gt;just&lt;/b&gt; trying to distinguish between the OS running on the iPhone and the OS running on genuine Mac hardware, wouldn't it make more sense to call them "iPhone OS X" and "Mac OS X"...as in keep "Mac OS X" as it has always been?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Apple is indeed <b>just</b> trying to distinguish between the OS running on the iPhone and the OS running on genuine Mac hardware, wouldn&#8217;t it make more sense to call them &#8220;iPhone OS X&#8221; and &#8220;Mac OS X&#8221;&#8230;as in keep &#8220;Mac OS X&#8221; as it has always been?</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Mediati</title>
		<link>http://theappleblog.com/2008/06/05/spy-shots-show-os-x-without-the-mac/#comment-117356</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick Mediati</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 20:31:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ #3: As I said halfway through the article: 

"Okay, so why on Earth would Apple do this? John Gruber of Daring Fireball seems to think that Apple is simply unifying the iPhone OS and Mac OS branding, and this is probably the simplest and most logical explanation."
[...]
"This is the part where I come up with some absurd speculations."

And toward the bottom:

"Will this actually happen? I’m not holding my breath"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ #3: As I said halfway through the article: </p>
<p>&#8220;Okay, so why on Earth would Apple do this? John Gruber of Daring Fireball seems to think that Apple is simply unifying the iPhone OS and Mac OS branding, and this is probably the simplest and most logical explanation.&#8221;<br />
[...]<br />
&#8220;This is the part where I come up with some absurd speculations.&#8221;</p>
<p>And toward the bottom:</p>
<p>&#8220;Will this actually happen? I’m not holding my breath&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: BobPaul</title>
		<link>http://theappleblog.com/2008/06/05/spy-shots-show-os-x-without-the-mac/#comment-117352</link>
		<dc:creator>BobPaul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 19:13:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jon - The current crop of Mac's are built on stardard PC hardware. Very little inside is the IP of Apple; they're outsourced as much as Dell or Sony PCs are.

Mac has, for quite a long time, been a software company. That it only runs on Apple branded hardware is simply a way to diffuse the costs of software development. This allows Apple to sell OSX 'retail' for $130 because its always an upgrade. A new copy of OSX might cost $200+, but we'll never know because new copies are always bundled as part of the whole system, which is inarguably marked up compared to a Windows PC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jon - The current crop of Mac&#8217;s are built on stardard PC hardware. Very little inside is the IP of Apple; they&#8217;re outsourced as much as Dell or Sony PCs are.</p>
<p>Mac has, for quite a long time, been a software company. That it only runs on Apple branded hardware is simply a way to diffuse the costs of software development. This allows Apple to sell OSX &#8216;retail&#8217; for $130 because its always an upgrade. A new copy of OSX might cost $200+, but we&#8217;ll never know because new copies are always bundled as part of the whole system, which is inarguably marked up compared to a Windows PC.</p>
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		<title>By: roz</title>
		<link>http://theappleblog.com/2008/06/05/spy-shots-show-os-x-without-the-mac/#comment-117351</link>
		<dc:creator>roz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 19:11:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been saying this for year - we have been on a long road to doing this, and shrink wrapped OSX.

First cut dependencies on MSFT (Safari, iWork).  
Take development tools in house - allows them to speed changing the platform.
Move to Intel - now hardware is compatible, interchangeable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been saying this for year - we have been on a long road to doing this, and shrink wrapped OSX.</p>
<p>First cut dependencies on MSFT (Safari, iWork).<br />
Take development tools in house - allows them to speed changing the platform.<br />
Move to Intel - now hardware is compatible, interchangeable.</p>
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		<title>By: Boxes, Banners and Boasts as WWDC nears &#187; VentureBeat</title>
		<link>http://theappleblog.com/2008/06/05/spy-shots-show-os-x-without-the-mac/#comment-117350</link>
		<dc:creator>Boxes, Banners and Boasts as WWDC nears &#187; VentureBeat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 18:56:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] banners for WWDC are already up at the Moscone Center in San Francisco, Calif, where the event will be held. Our own Dean Takahashi [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] banners for WWDC are already up at the Moscone Center in San Francisco, Calif, where the event will be held. Our own Dean Takahashi [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Simon</title>
		<link>http://theappleblog.com/2008/06/05/spy-shots-show-os-x-without-the-mac/#comment-117349</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 18:54:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it's quite simple really.  They want the new trench of iPhone users to see they are using OSX.  Then, when they see an ad for the new Macs, they will see that they also run OSX.  It's a marketing tactic to make the iPhone synonimous with Apple Computers.

Think of it in the same was as Apple removing the word "computer" from their name.  No one wants to buy phones, music, films etc from a "computer" company, it's not cool.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s quite simple really.  They want the new trench of iPhone users to see they are using OSX.  Then, when they see an ad for the new Macs, they will see that they also run OSX.  It&#8217;s a marketing tactic to make the iPhone synonimous with Apple Computers.</p>
<p>Think of it in the same was as Apple removing the word &#8220;computer&#8221; from their name.  No one wants to buy phones, music, films etc from a &#8220;computer&#8221; company, it&#8217;s not cool.</p>
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		<title>By: Wysiwyg</title>
		<link>http://theappleblog.com/2008/06/05/spy-shots-show-os-x-without-the-mac/#comment-117347</link>
		<dc:creator>Wysiwyg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 17:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Blasphemy! But whatta hell do I know?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blasphemy! But whatta hell do I know?</p>
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		<title>By: Edward Edwards</title>
		<link>http://theappleblog.com/2008/06/05/spy-shots-show-os-x-without-the-mac/#comment-117346</link>
		<dc:creator>Edward Edwards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 17:43:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Something to remember:  Windows dropped the ball with Vista, but there's starting to be a shift towards it being junk to being 'not so bad'.  If Apple were to make a big marketshare move, it better be NOW.  Either they drop their prices dramatically, or profitably license their software.

NOW OR NEVER.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Something to remember:  Windows dropped the ball with Vista, but there&#8217;s starting to be a shift towards it being junk to being &#8216;not so bad&#8217;.  If Apple were to make a big marketshare move, it better be NOW.  Either they drop their prices dramatically, or profitably license their software.</p>
<p>NOW OR NEVER.</p>
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		<title>By: Erik</title>
		<link>http://theappleblog.com/2008/06/05/spy-shots-show-os-x-without-the-mac/#comment-117343</link>
		<dc:creator>Erik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 16:28:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I vaguely recall something from the early days of Mac OS X. Apple had to use "Mac OS X" as their trademark, rather than "OS X" because of an existing trademark in the computer software market. Does anyone have the full details?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I vaguely recall something from the early days of Mac OS X. Apple had to use &#8220;Mac OS X&#8221; as their trademark, rather than &#8220;OS X&#8221; because of an existing trademark in the computer software market. Does anyone have the full details?</p>
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		<title>By: Josh Pigford</title>
		<link>http://theappleblog.com/2008/06/05/spy-shots-show-os-x-without-the-mac/#comment-117342</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh Pigford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 16:23:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul, herrbutzie, Yacko: It's browser width that is the issue. Widen your browser window and you're golden.

Please use our &lt;a href="http://theappleblog.com/contact-us/" rel="nofollow"&gt;contact form&lt;/a&gt; for issues like this so that the comments can stay on topic.

Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul, herrbutzie, Yacko: It&#8217;s browser width that is the issue. Widen your browser window and you&#8217;re golden.</p>
<p>Please use our <a href="http://theappleblog.com/contact-us/" rel="nofollow">contact form</a> for issues like this so that the comments can stay on topic.</p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Yacko</title>
		<link>http://theappleblog.com/2008/06/05/spy-shots-show-os-x-without-the-mac/#comment-117341</link>
		<dc:creator>Yacko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 16:18:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#15 paul robinson &#38; #16 herrbutzie

You don't bother to mention your web browser. I'm using Opera and it looks fine to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#15 paul robinson &amp; #16 herrbutzie</p>
<p>You don&#8217;t bother to mention your web browser. I&#8217;m using Opera and it looks fine to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Will</title>
		<link>http://theappleblog.com/2008/06/05/spy-shots-show-os-x-without-the-mac/#comment-117340</link>
		<dc:creator>Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 16:08:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's technically feasible to run OS X on PC's. Apple has said that at least three PC makers have asked to license OS X. And when asked directly about such possibilities in the past, Steve Jobs big concern is how does Apple distinguish its hardware if not for OS X?

If Apple has found an profitable answer to that question, OS X might ship on non-Apple computers, but they are in no hurry to get a half OSsed answer. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s technically feasible to run OS X on PC&#8217;s. Apple has said that at least three PC makers have asked to license OS X. And when asked directly about such possibilities in the past, Steve Jobs big concern is how does Apple distinguish its hardware if not for OS X?</p>
<p>If Apple has found an profitable answer to that question, OS X might ship on non-Apple computers, but they are in no hurry to get a half OSsed answer. <img src='http://theappleblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: subtledoctor</title>
		<link>http://theappleblog.com/2008/06/05/spy-shots-show-os-x-without-the-mac/#comment-117338</link>
		<dc:creator>subtledoctor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 15:56:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tantalizing.  Consider that Apple has locked up something like 65% of the $1,000+ hardware market... consider that Apple has no interest in the sub-$1,000 hardware market, since the margins are lower... consider that "switching" is difficult fomr some people, by dint of the fact that it's a named phenomenon at all - which means that when buyers of $500 Windows computers step up to $1,000+ machines, there is an impediment to switching to Macs.

License OS X for cheap machines by other manufacturers, and Apple would create a whole class of OS X users on cheap machines, who would find it veeerry easy to switch to Apple hardware when they decide to buy more expensive boxes.  It wouldn't cannibalize existing hardware sales because Apple has no existing low-end hardware sales to speak of.  And they wouldn't face the driver issues that Windows faces, because they could limit licensees to a few big reputable companies (Dell etc.) and strictly control the available hardware configurations.

Except... except... Apple already did exactly this, and it hurt the company, and Jobs killed off the clones.  So it doesn't seem likely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tantalizing.  Consider that Apple has locked up something like 65% of the $1,000+ hardware market&#8230; consider that Apple has no interest in the sub-$1,000 hardware market, since the margins are lower&#8230; consider that &#8220;switching&#8221; is difficult fomr some people, by dint of the fact that it&#8217;s a named phenomenon at all - which means that when buyers of $500 Windows computers step up to $1,000+ machines, there is an impediment to switching to Macs.</p>
<p>License OS X for cheap machines by other manufacturers, and Apple would create a whole class of OS X users on cheap machines, who would find it veeerry easy to switch to Apple hardware when they decide to buy more expensive boxes.  It wouldn&#8217;t cannibalize existing hardware sales because Apple has no existing low-end hardware sales to speak of.  And they wouldn&#8217;t face the driver issues that Windows faces, because they could limit licensees to a few big reputable companies (Dell etc.) and strictly control the available hardware configurations.</p>
<p>Except&#8230; except&#8230; Apple already did exactly this, and it hurt the company, and Jobs killed off the clones.  So it doesn&#8217;t seem likely.</p>
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		<title>By: guybrush threepwood</title>
		<link>http://theappleblog.com/2008/06/05/spy-shots-show-os-x-without-the-mac/#comment-117337</link>
		<dc:creator>guybrush threepwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 15:52:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not sure if Apple has been "relatively silent" towards Psystar's operations, but if they were going to come up with something like this, I would assume they would NOT be silent, as their market would be compromised.

That said, I think this speculation is absurd. Like everyone else has said, this is simply to unify the OS across platforms - which is exactly the motivation for renaming the .Mac service.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not sure if Apple has been &#8220;relatively silent&#8221; towards Psystar&#8217;s operations, but if they were going to come up with something like this, I would assume they would NOT be silent, as their market would be compromised.</p>
<p>That said, I think this speculation is absurd. Like everyone else has said, this is simply to unify the OS across platforms - which is exactly the motivation for renaming the .Mac service.</p>
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