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		<title>By: Vassili</title>
		<link>http://theappleblog.com/2008/08/11/daylite-here-comes-the-sun/#comment-61267</link>
		<dc:creator>Vassili</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 01:20:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I forgot, the price xm is not very cheap but good things are never free!
Vass (http://limotaxi.net)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I forgot, the price xm is not very cheap but good things are never free!<br />
Vass (<a href="http://limotaxi.net" rel="nofollow">http://limotaxi.net</a>)</p>
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		<title>By: Vassili</title>
		<link>http://theappleblog.com/2008/08/11/daylite-here-comes-the-sun/#comment-61265</link>
		<dc:creator>Vassili</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 01:19:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is looking grate! I was long time looking for something like it,
Kind of hard to manage in the beginning but once it spins it is the best!
Vass (www.limotaxi.net)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is looking grate! I was long time looking for something like it,<br />
Kind of hard to manage in the beginning but once it spins it is the best!<br />
Vass (www.limotaxi.net)</p>
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		<title>By: It&#8217;s the Dawn of a New Daylite</title>
		<link>http://theappleblog.com/2008/08/11/daylite-here-comes-the-sun/#comment-36609</link>
		<dc:creator>It&#8217;s the Dawn of a New Daylite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 16:01:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] new version of Daylite that will enable even higher productivity. We&#8217;ve written about Daylite before, so this article will discuss what is new, not a complete re-hash of the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: caruso_g</title>
		<link>http://theappleblog.com/2008/08/11/daylite-here-comes-the-sun/#comment-23544</link>
		<dc:creator>caruso_g</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 20:53:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Redstone - Same feeling here, even if I do not completely agree with the opinion of a lack of learning stuff only. A program, if well done, should be self explanatory and then, if needed, allow the user to access complex features, hidden just to keep the application uncluttered, but always easily! Funny to say at Marketcircle they have this kind of application: Billings. I use Billings regularly and I would use DL to integrate my workflow. But after trying DL I thought there should be an error: the apps seemed developed by different people! (btw, seemed…?)
They should just make it simple and nice (Billings has a great gui) like Billings and they would have done half of the job.
The other half, as you well shown, would be to publish some case studies/manuals videos to understand how to fully use DL.
For the moment I will stick with my current workflow: iCal, Things (http://culturedcode.com/things/), Mail (+MailTags) and Billings.

Btw. Something with I *REALLY* am disappointed is that the price, if I try to buy the application, shown is 189.00 € that are 271.23 $ (4/9/08)… They are trying to STEALING me 82,23 $… and, no, there is not Italian translation…</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Redstone &#8211; Same feeling here, even if I do not completely agree with the opinion of a lack of learning stuff only. A program, if well done, should be self explanatory and then, if needed, allow the user to access complex features, hidden just to keep the application uncluttered, but always easily! Funny to say at Marketcircle they have this kind of application: Billings. I use Billings regularly and I would use DL to integrate my workflow. But after trying DL I thought there should be an error: the apps seemed developed by different people! (btw, seemed…?)<br />
They should just make it simple and nice (Billings has a great gui) like Billings and they would have done half of the job.<br />
The other half, as you well shown, would be to publish some case studies/manuals videos to understand how to fully use DL.<br />
For the moment I will stick with my current workflow: iCal, Things (<a href="http://culturedcode.com/things/)" rel="nofollow">http://culturedcode.com/things/)</a>, Mail (+MailTags) and Billings.</p>
<p>Btw. Something with I *REALLY* am disappointed is that the price, if I try to buy the application, shown is 189.00 € that are 271.23 $ (4/9/08)… They are trying to STEALING me 82,23 $… and, no, there is not Italian translation…</p>
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		<title>By: Runar</title>
		<link>http://theappleblog.com/2008/08/11/daylite-here-comes-the-sun/#comment-23546</link>
		<dc:creator>Runar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 18:48:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the answer. I&#039;ll just have to play around then.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the answer. I&#8217;ll just have to play around then.</p>
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		<title>By: redstone</title>
		<link>http://theappleblog.com/2008/08/11/daylite-here-comes-the-sun/#comment-23545</link>
		<dc:creator>redstone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 14:38:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Runar, beyond the above-mentioned videos and PDF manual, I don&#039;t. It&#039;s pretty hard to avoid getting some training from the expensive Daylite Partners.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Runar, beyond the above-mentioned videos and PDF manual, I don&#8217;t. It&#8217;s pretty hard to avoid getting some training from the expensive Daylite Partners.</p>
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		<title>By: Runar</title>
		<link>http://theappleblog.com/2008/08/11/daylite-here-comes-the-sun/#comment-23541</link>
		<dc:creator>Runar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 08:47:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Redstone: I have bought Daylite because I got it recommende from a good source. And I agree that it&#039;s very complex. But do you have any tips on how to learn it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Redstone: I have bought Daylite because I got it recommende from a good source. And I agree that it&#8217;s very complex. But do you have any tips on how to learn it?</p>
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		<title>By: redstone</title>
		<link>http://theappleblog.com/2008/08/11/daylite-here-comes-the-sun/#comment-23543</link>
		<dc:creator>redstone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 16:43:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We&#039;ve been using Daylite in our business for the past 26 months. We have four copies networked to our 4 Macs.

First off, I feel for any company that comes out with a PIM or CRM just because everyone&#039;s needs are so different, and that makes it very hard to please everyone.

That said, Daylite is a very frustrating program to use, largely because there really isn&#039;t any manual or video trainings that explain the full process of how to truly use the program. Yes, DL will point to its ancient PDF manual (http://marketcircle.com/help/manual.html ) and their basic tutorial videos (http://www.marketcircle.com/help/movies.html ), but both of these show only how each part works, not how to actually use them. This is why there are a whole school of Daylite Partners who you can hire at $85-$195/hour for truly working out how to get Daylite used in your business. The three other companies that know that use Daylite have all admited that they&#039;ve spent $4-11 grand on &quot;continued training.&quot; Which here means &quot;how to use the damn program.&quot;

(note: the price of Daylite is $189, not $149, as mentioned in the article)

Yes, of course, *anyone* knows how to add contacts, put to-dos in the Tasks, and add events in the Calendar. But I contend that most people who download and try out the 30-day trial of Daylite get baffled by how to use the Projects and Opportunities, as well as how to set up a network of Macs in ones office, all tied to Daylite. I contend that MarketCircle loses tens of thousands of dollars each month because they&#039;ve never taken the time to create a training department and shows mock businesses using Daylite, and describing the nuances that show how their Projects and Opps features can be used. I don&#039;t believe that 10s of thousands of missed dollars each month is an exaggeration. The handful of colleagues that I&#039;ve suggested Daylite to have all come back with the same report: they&#039;re very impressed the first few days, and then they get bogged down in the complex parts, that have no explanation on how to truly use them. And each time they call our office to learn what to do and each time, I have to say, &quot;We don&#039;t get those parts either.&quot;

Plain and simple, Daylite is a very, very complex program; there is no other way to describe it. Not like &quot;Photoshop is complex&quot; complex, but like really difficult to use fully. The fix is there, though: Marketcircle could be the Photoshop of image tweaking, the 1Password of password management, the iTunes of music, and the only thing missing is for them to take the time and create a written manual or video series that explains *not* how to install the program or type in contacts, but mock-ups on sample companies and sample scenarios that fully utilize each and every feature found in Daylite.

We&#039;re sticking with Daylite. We get the feeling that MarketCircle is eventually going to come out with Version 4, and then version 5 which will be the world&#039;s best Mac PIM/CRM application in the world, bar none. If you already full grasp the concepts of Opportunties and Projects and already have them integrated into your biz, the current version may be a breeze for you. I hear that some people pick up books on string theory and go, &quot;Oh. Got it.&quot; For the rest of us business idiots in love with the GTD-style thinking of organization, Daylite will remain one complex, frustrating program that is about the best thing out there right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;ve been using Daylite in our business for the past 26 months. We have four copies networked to our 4 Macs.</p>
<p>First off, I feel for any company that comes out with a PIM or CRM just because everyone&#8217;s needs are so different, and that makes it very hard to please everyone.</p>
<p>That said, Daylite is a very frustrating program to use, largely because there really isn&#8217;t any manual or video trainings that explain the full process of how to truly use the program. Yes, DL will point to its ancient PDF manual (<a href="http://marketcircle.com/help/manual.html" rel="nofollow">http://marketcircle.com/help/manual.html</a> ) and their basic tutorial videos (<a href="http://www.marketcircle.com/help/movies.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.marketcircle.com/help/movies.html</a> ), but both of these show only how each part works, not how to actually use them. This is why there are a whole school of Daylite Partners who you can hire at $85-$195/hour for truly working out how to get Daylite used in your business. The three other companies that know that use Daylite have all admited that they&#8217;ve spent $4-11 grand on &#8220;continued training.&#8221; Which here means &#8220;how to use the damn program.&#8221;</p>
<p>(note: the price of Daylite is $189, not $149, as mentioned in the article)</p>
<p>Yes, of course, *anyone* knows how to add contacts, put to-dos in the Tasks, and add events in the Calendar. But I contend that most people who download and try out the 30-day trial of Daylite get baffled by how to use the Projects and Opportunities, as well as how to set up a network of Macs in ones office, all tied to Daylite. I contend that MarketCircle loses tens of thousands of dollars each month because they&#8217;ve never taken the time to create a training department and shows mock businesses using Daylite, and describing the nuances that show how their Projects and Opps features can be used. I don&#8217;t believe that 10s of thousands of missed dollars each month is an exaggeration. The handful of colleagues that I&#8217;ve suggested Daylite to have all come back with the same report: they&#8217;re very impressed the first few days, and then they get bogged down in the complex parts, that have no explanation on how to truly use them. And each time they call our office to learn what to do and each time, I have to say, &#8220;We don&#8217;t get those parts either.&#8221;</p>
<p>Plain and simple, Daylite is a very, very complex program; there is no other way to describe it. Not like &#8220;Photoshop is complex&#8221; complex, but like really difficult to use fully. The fix is there, though: Marketcircle could be the Photoshop of image tweaking, the 1Password of password management, the iTunes of music, and the only thing missing is for them to take the time and create a written manual or video series that explains *not* how to install the program or type in contacts, but mock-ups on sample companies and sample scenarios that fully utilize each and every feature found in Daylite.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re sticking with Daylite. We get the feeling that MarketCircle is eventually going to come out with Version 4, and then version 5 which will be the world&#8217;s best Mac PIM/CRM application in the world, bar none. If you already full grasp the concepts of Opportunties and Projects and already have them integrated into your biz, the current version may be a breeze for you. I hear that some people pick up books on string theory and go, &#8220;Oh. Got it.&#8221; For the rest of us business idiots in love with the GTD-style thinking of organization, Daylite will remain one complex, frustrating program that is about the best thing out there right now.</p>
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		<title>By: jos</title>
		<link>http://theappleblog.com/2008/08/11/daylite-here-comes-the-sun/#comment-23540</link>
		<dc:creator>jos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 22:17:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Man thats the shi t you got it yaaaah baby</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Man thats the shi t you got it yaaaah baby</p>
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		<title>By: Iyaz</title>
		<link>http://theappleblog.com/2008/08/11/daylite-here-comes-the-sun/#comment-23551</link>
		<dc:creator>Iyaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 00:13:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt -- sorry, I haven&#039;t tried that program.
Jake -- I would love to test the syncing, but I do not have an iPhone yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt &#8212; sorry, I haven&#8217;t tried that program.<br />
Jake &#8212; I would love to test the syncing, but I do not have an iPhone yet.</p>
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		<title>By: Jake</title>
		<link>http://theappleblog.com/2008/08/11/daylite-here-comes-the-sun/#comment-23550</link>
		<dc:creator>Jake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 18:10:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How is the syncing functionality?  Does it easily sync with an iPhone?  I run a small business and I have been looking for an upgrade to using ical and Address book, but I really need seamless integration with my iPhone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How is the syncing functionality?  Does it easily sync with an iPhone?  I run a small business and I have been looking for an upgrade to using ical and Address book, but I really need seamless integration with my iPhone.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://theappleblog.com/2008/08/11/daylite-here-comes-the-sun/#comment-23539</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 16:13:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Iyaz,

Have you used Contactizer (by Objective Decision Software)?  And if so, do you have any thoughts on it vs. Daylite?</description>
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<p>Have you used Contactizer (by Objective Decision Software)?  And if so, do you have any thoughts on it vs. Daylite?</p>
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		<title>By: Filipe Mendes</title>
		<link>http://theappleblog.com/2008/08/11/daylite-here-comes-the-sun/#comment-23542</link>
		<dc:creator>Filipe Mendes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 14:25:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been using this tool now for around 7 years and i can assure it makes the life easier to someone that has loads of tasks, projects, and new business to run at the same time. It has been improving a lot over the recent years, and the interface is also gradually getting better and better! There are minor details that could be better, but in my opinion its the best solution out there in the market, and i have tried most of the other ones, both software and online.

Its also very easy to start using and to adapt it to your business to best suit your needs. I would give it a 4.5 out of 5.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been using this tool now for around 7 years and i can assure it makes the life easier to someone that has loads of tasks, projects, and new business to run at the same time. It has been improving a lot over the recent years, and the interface is also gradually getting better and better! There are minor details that could be better, but in my opinion its the best solution out there in the market, and i have tried most of the other ones, both software and online.</p>
<p>Its also very easy to start using and to adapt it to your business to best suit your needs. I would give it a 4.5 out of 5.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Smith</title>
		<link>http://theappleblog.com/2008/08/11/daylite-here-comes-the-sun/#comment-23549</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 20:47:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the benefits of Highrise is that it can be shared by remote users, which cannot be easily accomplished with Highrise. One of the other things I didn&#039;t like about Daylight is that it can&#039;t be used if you want to keep your contact database in a FileVault-enabled account or on an encrypted sparseimage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the benefits of Highrise is that it can be shared by remote users, which cannot be easily accomplished with Highrise. One of the other things I didn&#8217;t like about Daylight is that it can&#8217;t be used if you want to keep your contact database in a FileVault-enabled account or on an encrypted sparseimage.</p>
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		<title>By: Ridgerunner</title>
		<link>http://theappleblog.com/2008/08/11/daylite-here-comes-the-sun/#comment-23548</link>
		<dc:creator>Ridgerunner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 19:51:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just like the old application &quot;Sharkware&quot; from early Windows daze... right down to the Opportunities function, and tight integration with Contacts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just like the old application &#8220;Sharkware&#8221; from early Windows daze&#8230; right down to the Opportunities function, and tight integration with Contacts.</p>
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		<title>By: Jörgen  Olsson</title>
		<link>http://theappleblog.com/2008/08/11/daylite-here-comes-the-sun/#comment-23547</link>
		<dc:creator>Jörgen  Olsson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 18:01:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have used this app at my company for several years - and it has proved itself to be a great tool that becomes better and easier to use with each new major version. Works great in a multi user environment - and the support is great.
The only real pain is the reports engine, it is hard to understand - but I guess the guys at MarketCircle has heard that enough - and I believe they will improve on it.
I am happy to recomend it to any one running a business with a lot of sales contacts, projects and to-do&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have used this app at my company for several years &#8211; and it has proved itself to be a great tool that becomes better and easier to use with each new major version. Works great in a multi user environment &#8211; and the support is great.<br />
The only real pain is the reports engine, it is hard to understand &#8211; but I guess the guys at MarketCircle has heard that enough &#8211; and I believe they will improve on it.<br />
I am happy to recomend it to any one running a business with a lot of sales contacts, projects and to-do&#8217;s.</p>
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