Comments on: Have a 30″ Display? Want a new MacBook Pro? Get Comfortable http://theappleblog.com/2008/11/08/have-a-30-display-want-a-new-macbook-pro-get-comfortable/ TheAppleBlog, published by and for the day-to-day Apple user, is a prominent source for news, reviews, walkthroughs, and real life application of all Apple products. Sun, 22 Nov 2009 00:54:09 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Jeff H http://theappleblog.com/2008/11/08/have-a-30-display-want-a-new-macbook-pro-get-comfortable/#comment-54370 Jeff H Wed, 12 Aug 2009 16:39:50 +0000 http://theappleblog.com/?p=9899#comment-54370 Amazing. Here we are in August, 2009. The apple tech support that I am paying for had NO CLUE why my MBP would not work w/ the 30" monitor at any better than 1280x800. They simply gave up and said "talk to an apple retailer". It's only thru this forum have I found the solution - namely, shell out another $100. Captive audience - you get lulled into buying a sleek MBP and 30" monitor, then - oh, by the way, you'll need an expensive, special cable to make it all work. Nowhere on the apple website does it state you also need to buy the cable. I challenge someone to find it. Misleading advertising. Caveat emptor! At least someone in apple is earning their paycheck in marketing, go screw the customer... Amazing. Here we are in August, 2009. The apple tech support that I am paying for had NO CLUE why my MBP would not work w/ the 30″ monitor at any better than 1280×800. They simply gave up and said “talk to an apple retailer”. It’s only thru this forum have I found the solution – namely, shell out another $100. Captive audience – you get lulled into buying a sleek MBP and 30″ monitor, then – oh, by the way, you’ll need an expensive, special cable to make it all work. Nowhere on the apple website does it state you also need to buy the cable. I challenge someone to find it. Misleading advertising. Caveat emptor! At least someone in apple is earning their paycheck in marketing, go screw the customer…

]]> By: Gonzo http://theappleblog.com/2008/11/08/have-a-30-display-want-a-new-macbook-pro-get-comfortable/#comment-26252 Gonzo Tue, 16 Dec 2008 19:12:09 +0000 http://theappleblog.com/?p=9899#comment-26252 I'm with Phil on this would... I am a new Mac user crossing over from the land of PCs. I was coaxed into buying the new MBP and a 30 inch monitor... yeah... brilliant. Essentially I have a really nice laptop and a 30 inch boat anchor; which, as a hardcore developer, is not acceptable. This week, I angrilly returned back to PC. After ordering the new magic cable (for $99!!!) and being promised back in October that it would be 4-5 weeks... I've given up on this whole Apple experiment. This confirms the fear that's kept me from converting to Apple in the past - you are beholden to one company for your hardware, and at any moment they can screw you. So... I am back in the land of PCs... and actually quite happy. Overall, I feel incredibly foolish for wasting so much money and time when the PC world was there all along with everything I needed. Sorry Apple. All the hype and the cult following does nothing for me. Maybe I'll check back again in a couple years. I’m with Phil on this would… I am a new Mac user crossing over from the land of PCs. I was coaxed into buying the new MBP and a 30 inch monitor… yeah… brilliant. Essentially I have a really nice laptop and a 30 inch boat anchor; which, as a hardcore developer, is not acceptable.

This week, I angrilly returned back to PC. After ordering the new magic cable (for $99!!!) and being promised back in October that it would be 4-5 weeks… I’ve given up on this whole Apple experiment. This confirms the fear that’s kept me from converting to Apple in the past – you are beholden to one company for your hardware, and at any moment they can screw you.

So… I am back in the land of PCs… and actually quite happy. Overall, I feel incredibly foolish for wasting so much money and time when the PC world was there all along with everything I needed.

Sorry Apple. All the hype and the cult following does nothing for me. Maybe I’ll check back again in a couple years.

]]> By: Phil L http://theappleblog.com/2008/11/08/have-a-30-display-want-a-new-macbook-pro-get-comfortable/#comment-26243 Phil L Thu, 11 Dec 2008 18:30:26 +0000 http://theappleblog.com/?p=9899#comment-26243 News flash: the mini-to-DVI cable ($29) will allow you to use your 30" monitor, but NOT at the real resolution... only a max of 1280 x 800. In other words, useless. And the $99 DUAL-LINK DVI cable ISN'T EVEN AVAILABLE YET AND WON'T BE UNTIL 2009. So, if you're an idiot like me, who just traded up from an old MacBook Pro to a NEW MacBook Pro, based on the Mac "Genius" saying the new one would indeed run my 30" monitor, you're out of luck and will be working on a laptop screen for the next 2 months. This really pisses me off, considering the fact that those with MacBook Pro and 30" monitors tend to be some of the biggest power users... For Apple to suddenly "force" my 30" monitor out of commission until February 2009 is a HUGE kick in the nuts to a serious designer. If I hadn't already spent an entire day configuring the new MacBook instead of billing, I would gladly pack it back up, return to the Apple store and throw it through the f*ing window. After scheduling the visit through their Genius Help System, of course ;) News flash: the mini-to-DVI cable ($29) will allow you to use your 30″ monitor, but NOT at the real resolution… only a max of 1280 x 800. In other words, useless. And the $99 DUAL-LINK DVI cable ISN’T EVEN AVAILABLE YET AND WON’T BE UNTIL 2009. So, if you’re an idiot like me, who just traded up from an old MacBook Pro to a NEW MacBook Pro, based on the Mac “Genius” saying the new one would indeed run my 30″ monitor, you’re out of luck and will be working on a laptop screen for the next 2 months. This really pisses me off, considering the fact that those with MacBook Pro and 30″ monitors tend to be some of the biggest power users… For Apple to suddenly “force” my 30″ monitor out of commission until February 2009 is a HUGE kick in the nuts to a serious designer. If I hadn’t already spent an entire day configuring the new MacBook instead of billing, I would gladly pack it back up, return to the Apple store and throw it through the f*ing window. After scheduling the visit through their Genius Help System, of course ;)

]]> By: Mini DisplayPort to Dual-DVI Delayed Until December 23 | TheAppleBlog http://theappleblog.com/2008/11/08/have-a-30-display-want-a-new-macbook-pro-get-comfortable/#comment-26236 Mini DisplayPort to Dual-DVI Delayed Until December 23 | TheAppleBlog Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:01:06 +0000 http://theappleblog.com/?p=9899#comment-26236 [...] delay for a product that many users depend upon for professional and work-related purposes. The original timeline for the adapter’s release already saw it coming a full month after the new MacBooks and MacBook [...] [...] delay for a product that many users depend upon for professional and work-related purposes. The original timeline for the adapter’s release already saw it coming a full month after the new MacBooks and MacBook [...]

]]> By: Michael Rosenthal http://theappleblog.com/2008/11/08/have-a-30-display-want-a-new-macbook-pro-get-comfortable/#comment-26246 Michael Rosenthal Mon, 17 Nov 2008 02:39:05 +0000 http://theappleblog.com/?p=9899#comment-26246 Apple currently sells a miniDisplayPort to DVI adapter for $29. It seems that that should do the job. I may be overly optimistic or missing something, since the current MBP supports the 30" monitor. Seems that it would be worth a try. Apple currently sells a miniDisplayPort to DVI adapter for $29. It seems that that should do the job. I may be overly optimistic or missing something, since the current MBP supports the 30″ monitor. Seems that it would be worth a try.

]]> By: whodean http://theappleblog.com/2008/11/08/have-a-30-display-want-a-new-macbook-pro-get-comfortable/#comment-26245 whodean Sun, 16 Nov 2008 02:07:51 +0000 http://theappleblog.com/?p=9899#comment-26245 http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=104&cp_id=10419&cs_id=1041911&p_id=4827&seq=1&format=2 http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=104&cp_id=10419&cs_id=1041911&p_id=4827&seq=1&format=2

]]> By: Stephen http://theappleblog.com/2008/11/08/have-a-30-display-want-a-new-macbook-pro-get-comfortable/#comment-26244 Stephen Sat, 15 Nov 2008 18:15:17 +0000 http://theappleblog.com/?p=9899#comment-26244 @#11 - Brian Warren I agree with your point - I've been buying Apple since 1994 and I always remember getting a staggering number of cables in the box for all manner of useful conversions - the best I remember was a male-male 3.5mm audio cable which was a completely unexpected windfall to have included. I also think that the market of people who buy the 30" display either a) need it for their jobs or b) would dead like one. Personally I'm in the second category since I'm only an amatuer photographer but if I needed the 30" display to be productive then I might scrape together the extra money to buy it, considering it a business expense which would pay off gradually over time - it wouldn't be a simple decision to sink so much more money into it because it would be money that didn't go to something else. The difference between even 24" and 30" monitors for me is a decent second camera and adding this adapter starts to put it into very nice lens upgrade territory, a professional photographer needs to take that into account when they buy anything and they might not feel that the bigger monitor and cable for it is worth foregoing a lens for. The 4-5 week delay is a -very- long time for an expensive product which may be used for someone's work. It's a long time to have your fantastically cool FPS accessory to be sitting on the desk blank. @#11 – Brian Warren

I agree with your point – I’ve been buying Apple since 1994 and I always remember getting a staggering number of cables in the box for all manner of useful conversions – the best I remember was a male-male 3.5mm audio cable which was a completely unexpected windfall to have included.

I also think that the market of people who buy the 30″ display either a) need it for their jobs or b) would dead like one.

Personally I’m in the second category since I’m only an amatuer photographer but if I needed the 30″ display to be productive then I might scrape together the extra money to buy it, considering it a business expense which would pay off gradually over time – it wouldn’t be a simple decision to sink so much more money into it because it would be money that didn’t go to something else.

The difference between even 24″ and 30″ monitors for me is a decent second camera and adding this adapter starts to put it into very nice lens upgrade territory, a professional photographer needs to take that into account when they buy anything and they might not feel that the bigger monitor and cable for it is worth foregoing a lens for.

The 4-5 week delay is a -very- long time for an expensive product which may be used for someone’s work. It’s a long time to have your fantastically cool FPS accessory to be sitting on the desk blank.

]]> By: Brian Warren http://theappleblog.com/2008/11/08/have-a-30-display-want-a-new-macbook-pro-get-comfortable/#comment-26242 Brian Warren Mon, 10 Nov 2008 03:29:07 +0000 http://theappleblog.com/?p=9899#comment-26242 @Steve, true enough, these computers are not cheap. One could make a similar argument that since Apple's already getting a bunch of my money, you'd think they could toss in the necessary adaptors like they have in the past, up until this latest round of laptops. @Steve, true enough, these computers are not cheap. One could make a similar argument that since Apple’s already getting a bunch of my money, you’d think they could toss in the necessary adaptors like they have in the past, up until this latest round of laptops.

]]> By: Dan http://theappleblog.com/2008/11/08/have-a-30-display-want-a-new-macbook-pro-get-comfortable/#comment-26240 Dan Sun, 09 Nov 2008 21:10:23 +0000 http://theappleblog.com/?p=9899#comment-26240 My current MacBook Pro 15" drives my 30" Cinema display too. But yeah, if you have a new MBP, be prepared to wait. My current MacBook Pro 15″ drives my 30″ Cinema display too. But yeah, if you have a new MBP, be prepared to wait.

]]> By: chano http://theappleblog.com/2008/11/08/have-a-30-display-want-a-new-macbook-pro-get-comfortable/#comment-26241 chano Sun, 09 Nov 2008 19:51:49 +0000 http://theappleblog.com/?p=9899#comment-26241 My 2 year old MacBook Pro 17 drives my 30" Cinema Disply just fine. What's the problem? My 2 year old MacBook Pro 17 drives my 30″ Cinema Disply just fine. What’s the problem?

]]> By: Steve http://theappleblog.com/2008/11/08/have-a-30-display-want-a-new-macbook-pro-get-comfortable/#comment-26251 Steve Sun, 09 Nov 2008 14:39:57 +0000 http://theappleblog.com/?p=9899#comment-26251 While I'm not trying to pass any flames at you and your post, you do make some valid points (the delay in shipping, for example). That said, you possibly paid $2700 for a Mac Pro, a new MacBook Pro for $1999 and a 30" display for $1799, plus if you bought AppleCare on top of that, which I assume that you did, then you've sunk quite a bit into your hardware. While I too have bought pretty much the same setup, plus an iMac, Macbook and a couple other Apple products, a $99 cable should NOT be your concern. When you can come back to the table complaining about the quality, support, etc. and in this case the available of said cable, then will your concerns have weight. Everyone that is an Apple product owner understands that there is a premium price to be paid for their products. If you are unhappy with said "Apple Tax", I'm sure Dell, HP, or some other company would love your dollars. Thanks for the article about the delay and I agree, it will be a short time, if not already, before a cable that is non-Apple branded to be made and will come in much less on the pricing scale. While I’m not trying to pass any flames at you and your post, you do make some valid points (the delay in shipping, for example). That said, you possibly paid $2700 for a Mac Pro, a new MacBook Pro for $1999 and a 30″ display for $1799, plus if you bought AppleCare on top of that, which I assume that you did, then you’ve sunk quite a bit into your hardware. While I too have bought pretty much the same setup, plus an iMac, Macbook and a couple other Apple products, a $99 cable should NOT be your concern.

When you can come back to the table complaining about the quality, support, etc. and in this case the available of said cable, then will your concerns have weight. Everyone that is an Apple product owner understands that there is a premium price to be paid for their products. If you are unhappy with said “Apple Tax”, I’m sure Dell, HP, or some other company would love your dollars.

Thanks for the article about the delay and I agree, it will be a short time, if not already, before a cable that is non-Apple branded to be made and will come in much less on the pricing scale.

]]> By: MakeMac » Blog Archive » Adaptor untuk ACD lama http://theappleblog.com/2008/11/08/have-a-30-display-want-a-new-macbook-pro-get-comfortable/#comment-26250 MakeMac » Blog Archive » Adaptor untuk ACD lama Sun, 09 Nov 2008 13:09:32 +0000 http://theappleblog.com/?p=9899#comment-26250 [...] Apple Cinema Display (ACD) lama dan ingin memakainya di MacBook baru. Anda harus menunggu lagi, seperti yang ditulis oleh TUAW, adaptor tersebut belum ada stock. [...] [...] Apple Cinema Display (ACD) lama dan ingin memakainya di MacBook baru. Anda harus menunggu lagi, seperti yang ditulis oleh TUAW, adaptor tersebut belum ada stock. [...]

]]> By: Anton http://theappleblog.com/2008/11/08/have-a-30-display-want-a-new-macbook-pro-get-comfortable/#comment-26249 Anton Sun, 09 Nov 2008 10:21:33 +0000 http://theappleblog.com/?p=9899#comment-26249 2Harvey: OK, I'm not talking about this particular mini dvi to dual link dvi.. Haven't disassembled it. But general mini-dvi -> dvi adapter: http://store.apple.com/us/product/M9321G/B shouldn't cost more than $10, maximum. Say nothing of the prices on power adapters for iphone or ipod touch devices, like this one: http://store.apple.com/us/product/MB051LL/A I have bought a fake adapter in China for less than $10, it looks absolutely the same as the original ones and works great as well.. 2Harvey:
OK, I’m not talking about this particular mini dvi to dual link dvi.. Haven’t disassembled it. But general mini-dvi -> dvi adapter:
http://store.apple.com/us/product/M9321G/B
shouldn’t cost more than $10, maximum. Say nothing of the prices on power adapters for iphone or ipod touch devices, like this one:
http://store.apple.com/us/product/MB051LL/A
I have bought a fake adapter in China for less than $10, it looks absolutely the same as the original ones and works great as well..

]]> By: Marc http://theappleblog.com/2008/11/08/have-a-30-display-want-a-new-macbook-pro-get-comfortable/#comment-26239 Marc Sun, 09 Nov 2008 09:14:13 +0000 http://theappleblog.com/?p=9899#comment-26239 Thanks for the perspective, Brian. Thanks for the perspective, Brian.

]]> By: Aprel http://theappleblog.com/2008/11/08/have-a-30-display-want-a-new-macbook-pro-get-comfortable/#comment-26235 Aprel Sun, 09 Nov 2008 00:00:01 +0000 http://theappleblog.com/?p=9899#comment-26235 So what about us Mac Pro users that want to buy the new LED display. Is there an adaptor from DVI to the mini displayport? So what about us Mac Pro users that want to buy the new LED display. Is there an adaptor from DVI to the mini displayport?

]]> By: Alex http://theappleblog.com/2008/11/08/have-a-30-display-want-a-new-macbook-pro-get-comfortable/#comment-26248 Alex Sat, 08 Nov 2008 22:55:23 +0000 http://theappleblog.com/?p=9899#comment-26248 Cool thats really interesting. Awesome post :D Cool thats really interesting. Awesome post :D

]]> By: Want a new MacBook Pro? la zilnic.net - stay tuned - hourly updates http://theappleblog.com/2008/11/08/have-a-30-display-want-a-new-macbook-pro-get-comfortable/#comment-26238 Want a new MacBook Pro? la zilnic.net - stay tuned - hourly updates Sat, 08 Nov 2008 22:44:11 +0000 http://theappleblog.com/?p=9899#comment-26238 [...] to a MacBook Pro. Knowing that I could even choose a MacBook just made the options more exciting. via Views: 0 Comments: 1 Posted on : elbandito on 22 August, 2008 10:38:22 Daca ai [...] [...] to a MacBook Pro. Knowing that I could even choose a MacBook just made the options more exciting. via Views: 0 Comments: 1 Posted on : elbandito on 22 August, 2008 10:38:22 Daca ai [...]

]]> By: me http://theappleblog.com/2008/11/08/have-a-30-display-want-a-new-macbook-pro-get-comfortable/#comment-26247 me Sat, 08 Nov 2008 22:09:30 +0000 http://theappleblog.com/?p=9899#comment-26247 @harvey I agree. Considering the kind of electronics that are in that I am surprised they dont need a seperate converter module in the middle of the cord. @harvey
I agree. Considering the kind of electronics that are in that I am surprised they dont need a seperate converter module in the middle of the cord.

]]> By: Harvey http://theappleblog.com/2008/11/08/have-a-30-display-want-a-new-macbook-pro-get-comfortable/#comment-26237 Harvey Sat, 08 Nov 2008 19:36:44 +0000 http://theappleblog.com/?p=9899#comment-26237 If you read up on VGA, DVI, Dual DVI, and DIsplayPort, you'll find out that there are significant electronic differences. It's not just a matter of putting different connectors on the two ends of a cable. Apple calls it an "adapter" because it contains electronics. The cost of those electronics, as well as the cost of manufacturing, packaging, and distribution depends on the quantity they can sell. The market for this adapter is smaller than the number of people who own a computer with DisplayPort and a dual-DVI monitor and want to connect them to each other. That's not very large. Then if Apple is planning on coming out with displays with DisplayPort soon, the demand for this adapter is going to be even more limited. Taking all those factors into account, $99 is probably an appropriate price. If you read up on VGA, DVI, Dual DVI, and DIsplayPort, you’ll find out that there are significant electronic differences. It’s not just a matter of putting different connectors on the two ends of a cable. Apple calls it an “adapter” because it contains electronics. The cost of those electronics, as well as the cost of manufacturing, packaging, and distribution depends on the quantity they can sell. The market for this adapter is smaller than the number of people who own a computer with DisplayPort and a dual-DVI monitor and want to connect them to each other. That’s not very large. Then if Apple is planning on coming out with displays with DisplayPort soon, the demand for this adapter is going to be even more limited.

Taking all those factors into account, $99 is probably an appropriate price.

]]> By: Anton http://theappleblog.com/2008/11/08/have-a-30-display-want-a-new-macbook-pro-get-comfortable/#comment-26234 Anton Sat, 08 Nov 2008 17:34:12 +0000 http://theappleblog.com/?p=9899#comment-26234 OMG, they're killing me with their prices on cables, adapters and such... $30-50 for wires wrapped in plastic. WTF? I personally hate the policy of using proprietary adapters.. it's just extortion.. Even if I can afford to buy it - I can't do that because of principle. OMG, they’re killing me with their prices on cables, adapters and such… $30-50 for wires wrapped in plastic. WTF? I personally hate the policy of using proprietary adapters.. it’s just extortion.. Even if I can afford to buy it – I can’t do that because of principle.

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